unbeliveable! opinion poll on heat 4 winter

[jesi272]

As I passed my TV I caught the bit about (unnamed station) "polling" viewers. The results of the poll: Question? Should heating fuel be denied to people who do not have a social security number or other...reasons....???

90% of the people polled said "we SHOULD NOT give people heat for the winter!" Unbeliveable!!!!!!

Every winter our local politicians and local commercials, and community of friends and neighbors ......encourage all to "SHARE WITH OUR COLD NEIGHBORS!"

I would hope you 90% don't ever loose your electricity this winter or run out of heating fuel....you might be cold, but maybe you will think about "those people" who you want to deny heat for their homes this winter.

BTW - if you change your mind about helping others this winter- Mission Greater Waterbury is having a Blanket and Coat collection soon
to help others in need. If you have CLEAN BLANKETS and CLEAN REPAIRED WARM COATS --contact MIission GREATER WATERBURY missiongtrwtby@snet.net ------ for drop off location.
Thanks:D
jesi

[collie]

I think the objection here is to those in the country illegally obtaining assistance at the expense of those who are legal residents. Frankly, when we donate, as many of us do, including I'm sure many of the 90% in the poll, we didn't realize community action agencies were knowingly looking the other way when it came to residency requirements. I heard today that agencies know people are illegal residents and have them use their child's social security card, the child having been born here and a legal resident, the parents here illegally. Time for some major community action agency audits; New Haven is the first to be audited. People are generous in giving but if the money is to go to illegal residents that should be made clear when donations are solicited as well as when agencies are applying for state and federal grant money. When I apply for a job, I have to provide my employer a copy of my social security card, not my child's. Heating assistance MONEY goes fast; do you think the situation in which illegal residents get the money instead of legal one's is a patently fair one? I don't. The Catholic Church could blatantly, out in the open and not hiding behind lies, provide illegal residents with heating assistance. I will not be, although I have been generous in the past, supporting our local Walk For Warmth until I have some assurances their assistance is not going to illegal residents.

[rapuda]

The survey asked if heating assistance money should be allowed for illegal immigrants. I don't remember the exact wording of the question but that's close to what it asked.
Many people are getting tired of their tax dollars and donated dollars being used for illegals. There are far too many legal citizens that need help without illegal citizens siphoning all the resources away. When we get to a point in time when we have more money than our legal citizens need, that will be the time to use the money elsewhere. We all know that will never happen though. Money is tight everywhere. I know people who are here illegally need help too, but they chose to come here, and to be here illegally. We have to take care or our legal citizens first. If the people who are here illegally want to be treated better, than they should become legalized citizens. The other choice is for them to go back to their point of origin.

[eds]

Citizen or not I do not want my tax dollars going to pay for laziness for lack of work. If you are lazy, you freeze. Even the Bible does not approve of laziness. Read Matthew 25:14-30

If a citizen, legal or not, should fall on hard times, I would help them. We need to separate laziness from legal-ness. There are many lazy people who are legal citizens here, born here, and yet they enjoy handouts from hard working people without so much as even trying to lift a finger. They have more excuses than wool on a sheep.

I want my tax dollars going to help those who are truly in need and not just given out because someone has no money to pay. We need to look at why that someone has no money to pay.

[eds]

I wanted to add one thing to this discussion that I just read.

rapuda says,
"If the people who are here illegally want to be treated better, than they should become legalized citizens. The other choice is for them to go back to their point of origin."

Let's think about that. Let them apply for citizenship. If the immigration process were more streamlined and more efficient maybe then they would. Say we streamline the process. Then they apply. What's the harm in letting them in? The harm is laziness.

Again, the issue goes back to laziness. If they were to come here, apply, gain citizenship and then sit on their asses, then NO WAY! They don't get to be citizens here.

But if they apply for citizenship and get it, and they work their asses off, pay their taxes and pay their own way, then how is it any different than if you were born here?

My objection is not the illegals. My objection is anyone who is lazy looking for a handout, legal or not.

[rapuda]

I can't argue with that eds. How do you determine the lazy from the hard workers though?

[eds]

Simple. There are three kinds of people. One who does nothing and has nothing, one who does something but its just not enough and wants more but can't pay for it, and the other who works hard and is happy with what they have.

So it all goes back to career day in school.

Do they have skills? Do they know a trade? Are they trying to obtain skills?

Its not about college. Its about skills. Some learn from books, some learn by doing. Its about what marketable skill do you have. Its not about how much money you make. Its about affording the lifestyle you want.

If you want to live in a large house in Fairfield and you work at a local discount store...probably not going to happen. This is a big country. If you say you can't afford to live in CT then move. That's not being lazy its being realistic. You don't see me living in say Beverly Hills? I can't afford to live there.

To my point... The person who is doing everything they can to afford where and how they live is not a lazy person. The person who wants more that what they can afford and expects others to pay for it is a lazy person. The person who is not a lazy person who encounters a job loss, is still willing to go out there and find work is not a lazy person.

You take it on a case by case basis. You know people in your own life who for some reason are good hard working people but just needed a bit of help. And those that seem to never have any money and are always borrowing money or always scheming to make it big if they just had this advance.

People need to live within their means. When they can't "make ends meet", they need to either get some skills, or reduce their lifestyle to live within their means. The person who does neither and expects a hand out or other people to pay their way are lazy.

Its about choices. If you made bad choices, didn't get some skills to make a good wage, and now you have to live a lifestyle you don't like, why should I have to subsidize that?

I know there will be some out there who would disagree with me. They would say that somehow its not their fault and that life conspired against them. But you watch any TV show about truly inspiring people and you realize that sometimes life does deal you a bad hand so to speak, but you make of it what you want. Life is 10% what happens to you, and 90% how you react to it.

[Wine Guys]

Greetings!
Mind if I join in?
Hi eds! As usual… you provide an interesting insight to a problem.
Everyday I come into contact with a variety of people from many walks of life. Your 3 kinds of people is on the mark and worth thinking about. For the last two and a half years I have come to know a group of people who came to this country to WORK. While more than half of them speak no more English than they did when we first met (I on the other hand, am learning Spanish… A topic for another forum maybe?:D ) I would still like them to be warm in the winter. If that means providing them with assistance, then… Yeah, do it! They came here to work, to feed their families and maybe… just maybe… get somewhere in life.
I have also met those who are throwing their lives away along with my Tax Dollars because they do NOTHING :mad: but drain society.
Sorry… you have a Choice… if you choose to be a pariah… Freeze…
:confused: Re: “You take it on a case by case basis…”
Nice thought, but where are we going to get the people needed to do this?

:) Quick story… A friend of mine injured his knee on the job. He became “disabled” and “unable to work” at the age of 27. I am now “paying” him his “disability” checks thru my taxes etc. He will climb down a 50’ cliff to go fishing, but can no longer work for a living because of his “disability”. :confused: What’s wrong with this picture?
We can provide only so much to only so many. So who will decide who gets what? Our government?

Last thought…
“Life is 10% what happens to you, and 90% how you react to it.”
Aren’t you glad you were born a White (?) Middle Class (?) American (?) ?

http://forums.ctrecord.com/showthread.php?t=202

[BillCarson436]

Hello...

My 2 cents ( pesos )

Why would their be a need for home heating fuel if the ILLEGAL
ALIENS who crossed the border into the US considered that when
they crossed the border. Is there a Billboard across the border like
the one in Puerto Rico that says " Come to Meriden ... land of the
free handouts ?

They don't belong here and I have as much sympathy for a rapist
as I do for an Illegal Alien. I say put a BOUNTY on their heads and
create jobs for LEGAL residents to put them in cattle cars and ship
them back home. There wouldn't be an Illegal Alien in America by
Christmas and a lot of happy NEEDY...Americans.


They have NO right to anything taken from HONEST citizens of
our Country. I am sick of hearing the debate about legal aliens
in the same conversation with ILLEGAL ones. I like most support
legal immigration but to group the lawbreakers in with this group
is plain stupid.

I would LOVE...LOVE to see Ann Coulter take on this mockery of
the American dream with all the VENOM that she spews on Liberals
each and every day.

[eds]

Its true. People are who did not follow our current outdated impractical demoralizing and totally prejudiced system of immigration are here illegally.

I hope you get my point. The problem with immigration is not that immigrants are coming to this country. Its that people with no work ethic are coming to this country.

If the process were streamlined so that good honest hard working people would be let in quickly, easily and yet lazy people would be denied, more of the hard working people would come here legally.

I have no problem with extending the American dream to anyone who wants to come here and contribute their hard work to make this country better. We can't ourselves get here and then close the door on others. There have been a lot of people here who in modern times have contributed greatly to this country who came here according to our laws and then fit into our society.

Not to stereotype Chinese people, I can't help but notice the amount of Chinese take out establishments there are and how much people enjoy their food!

I do not care for the opinions of Ann Coulter. Her opinions are hers alone and I wish she would not dispose of herself to speak for all Christians when in my opinion she does not represent even the slightest truth of what she believes is her faith.

[eds]

Greetings!
Re: “You take it on a case by case basis…”
Nice thought, but where are we going to get the people needed to do this?


It would seem that you could create a panel of 12 people who are like you and me and every other hard working American out there. They would review the welfare cases and interview the candidates. The only way it would work is if the 12 were untouchable and the 12 were dedicated to the truth. The 12 must be completely objective.

I admit that is a Utopian concept and highly unlikely. But I like the concept.

[Wine Guys]

:) I like the concept too.
So… OK folks… nominate YOUR 12 People for this Council! :confused: