Anyone hear Obama's 2001 audio on the constitution?

[Anna]

Go to The Drudge Report and be very afraid.
Obama believes the US Constitution is a flawed document. He believes that the Supreme Court should be involved in the redistribution of wealth.
The man is a Marxist at best, and perhaps a Facsist. He's been telling us what he is in subtle ways, now here it is loud and clear.

This country achieved it's greatness in 200 years because of the Constitution.
Are we really ready to throw it away? Are we ready to loose everything our soldiers have fought and died for? Freedom of speech? The right to bear arms? The rights of induvidual states? What else does he see as flawed?

I am no John McCain fan, but Obama will change the foundation of this country. He will change the Constitution, giving power to the government and away from "We the People".

Before people vote for Obama be sure you know what you want. Our children will know a very different world if he is elected. We have lost too many freedoms already. We are the frog in the pot of water, the heat is so slowly turned up that it doesn't realize that it's going to be boiled to death.

Look at the video, hear his own words and decide for yourself.

God help us...

[alwaysright]

you've been duped, poor girl. but go ahead and be afraid if you must- but know that McCaged will not win. he's a damaged man

[Anna]

alwayswrong...

Again,
Did you listen?
What do you think he is saying?

[Jim N]

you've been duped, poor girl. but go ahead and be afraid if you must- but know that McCaged will not win. he's a damaged man
AR I'm not a fan of McCain but I have to support an American Patriot and it is defintely not Barrack Hussien Obama.

[alwaysright]

so, anna, Jim and BillC go ahead, do your patriotic duty and cast a vote for a true loser.

[flatrat]

Go to The Drudge Report and be very afraid.
Obama believes the US Constitution is a flawed document. He believes that the Supreme Court should be involved in the redistribution of wealth.
The man is a Marxist at best, and perhaps a Facsist. He's been telling us what he is in subtle ways, now here it is loud and clear.

This country achieved it's greatness in 200 years because of the Constitution.
Are we really ready to throw it away? Are we ready to loose everything our soldiers have fought and died for? Freedom of speech? The right to bear arms? The rights of induvidual states? What else does he see as flawed?

I am no John McCain fan, but Obama will change the foundation of this country. He will change the Constitution, giving power to the government and away from "We the People".

Before people vote for Obama be sure you know what you want. Our children will know a very different world if he is elected. We have lost too many freedoms already. We are the frog in the pot of water, the heat is so slowly turned up that it doesn't realize that it's going to be boiled to death.

Look at the video, hear his own words and decide for yourself.

God help us...

If you're going to call someone a fascist, at least spell it right. I know "socialist" is easier to spell.

Just what are you objecting to? Be specific. You don't think Republicans "redistribute wealth?" to their buddies? to CEO's? To Halliburton? to their favorite lobbyists?

Things are that bad in the McCain camp that they are falling back on known dilettante and "always gets it wrong" Matt Drudge, another closeted gay Republican? Ask Matt about Ashely Todd.

By the way, I love the line the McCain campaign has become a "circular firing squad."

I was watching last night on PBS a documentary on McCain and Obama. It went into detail about what John McCain was and what he stood for. He considered becoming a Democrat and talked with Dem leaders about switching parties. He then decided to stay republican and mend fences with Karl Rove who had trashed him in 2000 the South Carolina primary. (Remember they said McCain fathered a black child out of wedlock?). He wanted one more chance to run for President. Where did the old John McCain go? What has John McCain become? Johnny we harldy knew ye.

[Anna]

Forgive me for mispelling a word; thank you for the correction.

Redistribution of wealth to "make things fair", is Maxism.

The audio on Drudge are Obama's own words. How could Drudge get this wrong? Obama said it. He believes it. Take him at his word.

What did you think of the interview? I'd really like to know if you think Obama has it right? Is the Constitution flawed? Should the government rule the people, not the people rule the government?

I am no McCain fan. He was never my choice before or after the primary.

I started this thread so that people would listen to the audio and give an opinion on it. No one has commented on it yet...

[Modica]

Forgive me for mispelling a word; thank you for the correction.

Redistribution of wealth to "make things fair", is Maxism.

The audio on Drudge are Obama's own words. How could Drudge get this wrong? Obama said it. He believes it. Take him at his word.

What did you think of the interview? I'd really like to know if you think Obama has it right? Is the Constitution flawed? Should the government rule the people, not the people rule the government?

I am no McCain fan. He was never my choice before or after the primary.

I started this thread so that people would listen to the audio and give an opinion on it. No one has commented on it yet...
Anna doesn't like stealing from the rich to give to the poor, but certainly doesn't mind stealing from the poor and middle class to give to the rich. Also, Drudge is quite biased, so anything you read on his site is questionable. And Anna if the last 8 years has taught us anything, it is that "we the people" means "we the rich and powerful" "we the CEO's" "we the bought and scummy politcians". "We the people" no longer has anything to do with the average middle class citizen. We no longer have a voice, because everything that is now legislated is influenced by the rich and powerful.

[RC12L4]

If you're going to call someone a fascist, at least spell it right. I know "socialist" is easier to spell.

Just what are you objecting to? Be specific. You don't think Republicans "redistribute wealth?" to their buddies? to CEO's? To Halliburton? to their favorite lobbyists?

Things are that bad in the McCain camp that they are falling back on known dilettante and "always gets it wrong" Matt Drudge, another closeted gay Republican? Ask Matt about Ashely Todd.

By the way, I love the line the McCain campaign has become a "circular firing squad."

I was watching last night on PBS a documentary on McCain and Obama. It went into detail about what John McCain was and what he stood for. He considered becoming a Democrat and talked with Dem leaders about switching parties. He then decided to stay republican and mend fences with Karl Rove who had trashed him in 2000 the South Carolina primary. (Remember they said McCain fathered a black child out of wedlock?). He wanted one more chance to run for President. Where did the old John McCain go? What has John McCain become? Johnny we harldy knew ye.

You can always tell when you hit a nerve and that's when people start correcting spelling errors on an internet message boards. Aside from that in flatrat's world two wrongs DO make a right.

*Spelling and grammar errors left in so certain users can feel superior to others.

[Anna]

Modica,
What did you think of the interview? What do think Obama meant?
I do not believe in stealing of any kind, period.

[rapuda]

Could you post a link to what you want people to hear or see?
I clicked on a video and got Obama responding to questions about Rev. Wright. I'm not sure which audio or video you want me to listen to.

[Modica]

Modica,
What did you think of the interview? What do think Obama meant?
I do not believe in stealing of any kind, period.
You certainly agree in stealing others hard earned money when you support the current administration. My taxes have gone up in the last 8 years just to pay for Wall St. bailouts, tax breaks for the wealthy and politicians raises. You seem to mind it when a young mother is given government assistance for her and her children, but you probably think that it is OK for the middle class taxpayer to pay more so that the rich can pay less. Wouldn't it be better if we all shared in the wealth and made this country a better place to live in. Greed will get you nowhere.

[RC12L4]

You certainly agree in stealing others hard earned money when you support the current administration. My taxes have gone up in the last 8 years just to pay for Wall St. bailouts, tax breaks for the wealthy and politicians raises. You seem to mind it when a young mother is given government assistance for her and her children, but you probably think that it is OK for the middle class taxpayer to pay more so that the rich can pay less. Wouldn't it be better if we all shared in the wealth and made this country a better place to live in. Greed will get you nowhere.

How many Wall Street bailouts have there been in the last 8 years? What was the total cost to tax payers?

Can you give me 3 examples of tax breaks for the weathly?

Do you know what economic class pays the most in taxes?

Can you tell me what the price tag for national health care will be? And how will we pay for it?

Thanks.

[flatrat]

Go to The Drudge Report and be very afraid.
Obama believes the US Constitution is a flawed document. He believes that the Supreme Court should be involved in the redistribution of wealth.
The man is a Marxist at best, and perhaps a Facsist. He's been telling us what he is in subtle ways, now here it is loud and clear.



God help us...

Is Sarah Palin a Marxist? (http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/11/03/081103taco_talk_hertzberg?printable=true)

A few weeks before she was nominated for Vice-President, she told a visiting journalist—Philip Gourevitch, of this magazine—that “we’re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it’s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs.”

And John McCain from the same article:
During the 2000 campaign, on MSNBC’s “Hardball,” a young woman asked him why her father, a doctor, should be “penalized” by being “in a huge tax bracket.” McCain replied that “wealthy people can afford more” and that “the very wealthy, because they can afford tax lawyers and all kinds of loopholes, really don’t pay nearly as much as you think they do.” The exchange continued:


YOUNG WOMAN: Are we getting closer and closer to, like, socialism and stuff?. . .
MCCAIN: Here’s what I really believe: That when you reach a certain level of comfort, there’s nothing wrong with paying somewhat more.

Dont you see how pathetic and ridiculous these arguments are?

Instead of name calling, they should be offering solutions.

[Anna]

Modica,

You have told me what I think.

Now, what do you think of Obama's comments?

[mysharona]

Go to The Drudge Report and be very afraid.
Obama believes the US Constitution is a flawed document. He believes that the Supreme Court should be involved in the redistribution of wealth.
The man is a Marxist at best, and perhaps a Facsist. He's been telling us what he is in subtle ways, now here it is loud and clear.

This country achieved it's greatness in 200 years because of the Constitution.
Are we really ready to throw it away? Are we ready to loose everything our soldiers have fought and died for? Freedom of speech? The right to bear arms? The rights of induvidual states? What else does he see as flawed?

I am no John McCain fan, but Obama will change the foundation of this country. He will change the Constitution, giving power to the government and away from "We the People".

Before people vote for Obama be sure you know what you want. Our children will know a very different world if he is elected. We have lost too many freedoms already. We are the frog in the pot of water, the heat is so slowly turned up that it doesn't realize that it's going to be boiled to death.

Look at the video, hear his own words and decide for yourself.

God help us...

Anna, for God sake, get a grip!!

Obama is NOT going to change the foundation of this country. Pleeeeeeze!! He's Not going to change the Constitution!!

Anna, you forgot to call him a dictator, because that is what Obama would be, if he planned on doing all these horrible things to our country.

From what I have always understood, the Constitution gives little power to the president.

I will not write in a public forum what I really feel you are saying about Obama being elected president.

Fear is a terrible sickness.

[Anna]

Mysharona,

I think I am clear about what I am saying about Obama. If Obama were elected and the Congress was Republican I wouldn't be as concerned. There would then exist a balance. There will be no check with Pelosi, Reid and Obama. Pelosi will decide the agenda. She will bring what she chooses to the floor; it will go the Senate and then Obama will sign it. It is always a problem when 1 party has this control, whether Democrat or Republican.

Fear is not a terrible sickness. It is often a saving instinct. I don't understand the anger you express. I have an opinion and so do you. You have no concerns, I do. I was just curious if anyone else was concerned about Obama's statements. No one seems to want to respond. I disagree with his ideology. I actually disagree alot with McCain too.

This country is on a slippery slope.

What do you think Obama's philosophy is?

[flatrat]

Redistribution of wealth to "make things fair", is Maxism.



What did you think of the interview? I'd really like to know if you think Obama has it right? Is the Constitution flawed? Should the government rule the people, not the people rule the government?




I listened to the video. What Obama says bears no relation to what you spewed forth in your original post. He said the Supreme Court isnt designed to effect change, that's the job of the legislation. He said nothing about throwing out the Constitution or any of the other Drudgerot you cited. Legislation comes from the process of government. So does wealth redistribution. Always has, always will.

Obama is a graduate of Harvard Law and was editor of the Harvard Law review. Where did Matt Drudge come from? What are his credentials, other than running a right wing gossip website known for its inaccuracy?

And now the Republican dittoheads are screaming about one party rule. Hey we lived through your "one party rule" for 6 years.

Governments have been redistributing wealth since the very first government. Why is wealth redistribution suddenly bad?

Have you read Karl Marx? Show me why Obama is a "Maxist."
By the way Bernie Saunders is a US Senator from Vermont, and a Socialist!

So while Obama offers solutions, McCain continues his name calling, and fearmongering. And Palin panders to the white hood crowd.

"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —President George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002

Dont be fooled by John Sidney McBush.

[Modica]

How many Wall Street bailouts have there been in the last 8 years? What was the total cost to tax payers?

Can you give me 3 examples of tax breaks for the weathly?

Do you know what economic class pays the most in taxes?

Can you tell me what the price tag for national health care will be? And how will we pay for it?

Thanks.
Oh those poor rich. My heart bleeds for them. It is funny that national health care can't be funded, but somehow we always find a way to bail out fat cats, give politicians raises, and fund the immoral invasion of another country. I guess it is easy to fund things that hurts others, but it is always so difficult to fund programs that make life better for all. Sorry, RC but I don't have all the answers to your questions, but I will get it together and get back. You like to bust my balls.

[flatrat]

How many Wall Street bailouts have there been in the last 8 years? What was the total cost to tax payers?

Can you give me 3 examples of tax breaks for the wealthy?

Do you know what economic class pays the most in taxes?

Can you tell me what the price tag for national health care will be? And how will we pay for it?

Thanks.

Here is one example of tax breaks for wealthy
On January 1, 2006, Congress allowed two tax breaks that benefit the wealthy to become effective. The cuts eliminated current provisions of the tax code that limits the amount of personal exemptions and itemized deductions that Americans with high incomes can take. Over the course of the next five years the tax cuts will cost approximately $27 billion, according to a study by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. Ironically, Republicans in Congress, only two weeks before the cuts took effect, voted to reduce domestic spending on programs affecting the poor and the middle class by $39 billion over the next five years.

The tax codes eliminated are the Pease provision and the personal exemption phase-out provision (PEP). Both were originally passed in 1990 in an effort to reduce the deficit. The Pease provision limited the amount of itemized deductions taxpayers with high incomes could claim. The tax code permits individuals to reduce their taxable income either by the standard deduction or by an amount equivalent to their total itemized deductions. In general, wealthy taxpayers use itemized deductions much more than the middle class and the poor.

The Pease provision reduced the amount of deductions for those who itemized and had incomes exceeding $145,950 last year. The total amount of itemized deductions wealthy taxpayers could claim was reduced by three percent of the amount by which their incomes exceeded $145,950. Similarly, the PEP provision of the tax code phased out personal exemptions for the wealthy. The tax code permits individuals to claim a personal exemption for each member of their household; last year it was $3,200.00.

They can subtract personal exemptions from their adjusted gross income before calculating their taxes, thereby reducing the amount of taxes owed. In 2005 the PEP provision mandated that taxpayers lost two percent of their personal exemption for every $2,500.00 by which their income exceeded $218,950 for married couples and $145,950 for singles.

Congressional Republicans have frequently said that the Pease and PEP provisions made it more difficult for Americans to determine their taxes. However, it's typically high-income taxpayers who take itemized deductions. And these are individuals who usually have their taxes prepared by accountants and other tax professionals who can easily calculate these provisions.

The Joint Committee on Taxation has estimated that over the next 13 years these tax breaks for the wealthy will deprive the country of $197 billion in revenue. And a study by the Brookings Institution determined that 97 percent of the Pease and PEP tax breaks will go to those households with incomes above $200,000. And more than half of these breaks will benefit the 0.2 percent of families with annual incomes exceeding $1 million. Once these tax cuts are fully implemented in 2010, the average millionaire will save $19,000 annually in taxes.


Here is a second example:
he estate tax is our country's most progressive and fairest tax, paid only by multi-millionaires and billionaires. In the coming decade, the estate tax will raise almost $1 trillion in revenue. These are funds that could be used to rebuild the Gulf Coast, close deficits, and respond to other neglected federal priorities.

Abolishing the estate tax has been a centerpiece of the radical right-wing tax agenda since the late 1990s. It has also proved to be a successful fundraising pitch to wealthy Republican donors. Under the 2001 Bush tax cut, the estate tax is currently being phased out until it is completely repealed in 2010. But without Congressional action, the estate tax will return in 2011. This is the reason for the push for "permanent repeal," which has already passed in the House and now awaits Senate action.

Presently, the first $3 million of a couple's wealth (half for an individual) is exempted from the tax. The current 2005 tax rate is 47 percent. By 2009, the wealth exemption rises to $3.5 million for an individual and $7 million for a couple, while the rate drops to 45 percent.

Here is a third example:
The wealthier you are and the more expensive your home is, the more the mortgage-interest deduction might help you.

The interest you pay on your mortgage of as much as $1 million and home equity loans of as much as $100,000 is almost always tax deductible.

But that deduction is only available if you itemize your deductions - that is, break out your deductible expenses, such as mortgage interest, charitable contributions, etc., and subtract them from your income. Because it only makes sense to itemize if your deductible expenses are greater than the Internal Revenue Service’s standard deduction, which is $10,700 for a married couple filing jointly, only about half of filers with taxable income itemize.

Despite the mortgage interest deduction’s reputation as a boon to the middle class, the group that takes the deduction most often is the wealthy. A study of 2006 tax filings by the congressionally sponsored Joint Committee on Taxation found that nearly half the households that filed tax returns itemizing a mortgage-interest deduction made $100,000 or more that year.

"There’s no dispute about that. It inordinately favors high-income folks in high-cost-of-living areas," said Paul Caron, dean of faculty at the University of Cincinnati law school.

I could go on and on, but you get the message...



Who pays more taxes? The Middle class, not the wealthy!
The short answer is this: you and I pay the taxes that rich and powerful people ought to pay, but don’t.

In the year 2000, at the height of the last economic boom and before the most recent round of tax cuts were enacted, IRS data shows that the richest 400 taxpayers paid 27% of their income in federal, state, and local taxes. On average, these 400 taxpayers each had taxable income of $151 million. All other taxpayers had average taxable income of only $34,600, and yet their tax burden was 40%.


How do we pay for healthcare?
And we can pay for health care by collecting those taxes the rich people avoid through their loopholes, and by defunding the horrible neocon oil war in Iraq. And dont forget we are already paying for healthcare, but in the most ineffective way.

Anyone else want to help out R2D2? There is a ton if info out there on the internets on how the rich avoid paying their fair share of taxes, and we of the middle class support their lifestyles.

But dont make the rich pay their fair share, that would be socialism.

[Modica]

Here is one example of tax breaks for wealthy
On January 1, 2006, Congress allowed two tax breaks that benefit the wealthy to become effective. The cuts eliminated current provisions of the tax code that limits the amount of personal exemptions and itemized deductions that Americans with high incomes can take. Over the course of the next five years the tax cuts will cost approximately $27 billion, according to a study by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. Ironically, Republicans in Congress, only two weeks before the cuts took effect, voted to reduce domestic spending on programs affecting the poor and the middle class by $39 billion over the next five years.

The tax codes eliminated are the Pease provision and the personal exemption phase-out provision (PEP). Both were originally passed in 1990 in an effort to reduce the deficit. The Pease provision limited the amount of itemized deductions taxpayers with high incomes could claim. The tax code permits individuals to reduce their taxable income either by the standard deduction or by an amount equivalent to their total itemized deductions. In general, wealthy taxpayers use itemized deductions much more than the middle class and the poor.

The Pease provision reduced the amount of deductions for those who itemized and had incomes exceeding $145,950 last year. The total amount of itemized deductions wealthy taxpayers could claim was reduced by three percent of the amount by which their incomes exceeded $145,950. Similarly, the PEP provision of the tax code phased out personal exemptions for the wealthy. The tax code permits individuals to claim a personal exemption for each member of their household; last year it was $3,200.00.

They can subtract personal exemptions from their adjusted gross income before calculating their taxes, thereby reducing the amount of taxes owed. In 2005 the PEP provision mandated that taxpayers lost two percent of their personal exemption for every $2,500.00 by which their income exceeded $218,950 for married couples and $145,950 for singles.

Congressional Republicans have frequently said that the Pease and PEP provisions made it more difficult for Americans to determine their taxes. However, it's typically high-income taxpayers who take itemized deductions. And these are individuals who usually have their taxes prepared by accountants and other tax professionals who can easily calculate these provisions.

The Joint Committee on Taxation has estimated that over the next 13 years these tax breaks for the wealthy will deprive the country of $197 billion in revenue. And a study by the Brookings Institution determined that 97 percent of the Pease and PEP tax breaks will go to those households with incomes above $200,000. And more than half of these breaks will benefit the 0.2 percent of families with annual incomes exceeding $1 million. Once these tax cuts are fully implemented in 2010, the average millionaire will save $19,000 annually in taxes.


Here is a second example:
he estate tax is our country's most progressive and fairest tax, paid only by multi-millionaires and billionaires. In the coming decade, the estate tax will raise almost $1 trillion in revenue. These are funds that could be used to rebuild the Gulf Coast, close deficits, and respond to other neglected federal priorities.

Abolishing the estate tax has been a centerpiece of the radical right-wing tax agenda since the late 1990s. It has also proved to be a successful fundraising pitch to wealthy Republican donors. Under the 2001 Bush tax cut, the estate tax is currently being phased out until it is completely repealed in 2010. But without Congressional action, the estate tax will return in 2011. This is the reason for the push for "permanent repeal," which has already passed in the House and now awaits Senate action.

Presently, the first $3 million of a couple's wealth (half for an individual) is exempted from the tax. The current 2005 tax rate is 47 percent. By 2009, the wealth exemption rises to $3.5 million for an individual and $7 million for a couple, while the rate drops to 45 percent.

Here is a third example:
The wealthier you are and the more expensive your home is, the more the mortgage-interest deduction might help you.

The interest you pay on your mortgage of as much as $1 million and home equity loans of as much as $100,000 is almost always tax deductible.

But that deduction is only available if you itemize your deductions - that is, break out your deductible expenses, such as mortgage interest, charitable contributions, etc., and subtract them from your income. Because it only makes sense to itemize if your deductible expenses are greater than the Internal Revenue Service’s standard deduction, which is $10,700 for a married couple filing jointly, only about half of filers with taxable income itemize.

Despite the mortgage interest deduction’s reputation as a boon to the middle class, the group that takes the deduction most often is the wealthy. A study of 2006 tax filings by the congressionally sponsored Joint Committee on Taxation found that nearly half the households that filed tax returns itemizing a mortgage-interest deduction made $100,000 or more that year.

"There’s no dispute about that. It inordinately favors high-income folks in high-cost-of-living areas," said Paul Caron, dean of faculty at the University of Cincinnati law school.

I could go on and on, but you get the message...



Who pays more taxes? The Middle class, not the wealthy!
The short answer is this: you and I pay the taxes that rich and powerful people ought to pay, but don’t.

In the year 2000, at the height of the last economic boom and before the most recent round of tax cuts were enacted, IRS data shows that the richest 400 taxpayers paid 27% of their income in federal, state, and local taxes. On average, these 400 taxpayers each had taxable income of $151 million. All other taxpayers had average taxable income of only $34,600, and yet their tax burden was 40%.


How do we pay for healthcare?
And we can pay for health care by collecting those taxes the rich people avoid through their loopholes, and by defunding the horrible neocon oil war in Iraq. And dont forget we are already paying for healthcare, but in the most ineffective way.

Anyone else want to help out R2D2? There is a ton if info out there on the internets on how the rich avoid paying their fair share of taxes, and we of the middle class support their lifestyles.

But dont make the rich pay their fair share, that would be socialism.
You Go flatrat!

[RC12L4]

Oh those poor rich. My heart bleeds for them. It is funny that national health care can't be funded, but somehow we always find a way to bail out fat cats, give politicians raises, and fund the immoral invasion of another country. I guess it is easy to fund things that hurts others, but it is always so difficult to fund programs that make life better for all. Sorry, RC but I don't have all the answers to your questions, but I will get it together and get back. You like to bust my balls.

Actually I find it interesting that you rant about any opinion that doesn't fall in line with your own then to top it off you can't even provide valid augments to back your own position. Just following the crowd right?

[flatrat]

Modica,

You have told me what I think.

Now, what do you think of Obama's comments?

Anna
read this Washington Post article
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/10/obamas_redistribution_bombshel.html

which totally debunks all of your arguments about Obama redistributing wealth.

I will quote just one portion, read the rest:
In other words, Obama says pretty much the opposite of what the McCain camp says he said. Contrary to the spin put on his remarks by McCain economics adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin, he does not express "regret" that the Supreme Court has not been more "radical." Nor does he describe the Court's refusal to take up economic redistribution questions as a "tragedy." He uses the word "tragedy" to refer not to the Supreme Court, but to the civil rights movement:

If you are interested in facts, you may want to stay away from Drudge and Fox news. The John Mcdesperate campaign and his "my friends" got it wrong again.

[Modica]

Actually I find it interesting that you rant about any opinion that doesn't fall in line with your own then to top it off you can't even provide valid augments to back your own position. Just following the crowd right?
you are always correct sir, even though I have seen very little evidence supplied by you that supports any of your positions either. My opinions are mine and I really don't feel the need to go into great detail in this forum anymore. Obama will win and you don't like it.

[Anna]

Flatrat,
I am quite capable of understanding someone's words and I don't need the Washington Post or anyone else to "clarify" for me. I get who he is and what he believes. I am amazed at how many of the statements he makes need to be clarified. How his associations need to disregarded. His arrogance is unsurpassed. " Take the day off from work, it's that important that I win."

Obama's mother was a communist, his mentor was Frank Marshall Davis, Black Liberation Theology, Reverend Wright, Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Saul Alinsky. He states in college he surrounded himself with Marxists and professors with those views. "Show me your freinds...."

Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. I'm not fooled by him.

This isn't about party, it's about the direction our country will go in.

Do you really agree with Pelosi and Reid? They will set the agenda.

[Jim N]

Flatrat,
I am quite capable of understanding someone's words and I don't need the Washington Post or anyone else to "clarify" for me. I get who he is and what he believes. I am amazed at how many of the statements he makes need to be clarified. How his associations need to disregarded. His arrogance is unsurpassed. " Take the day off from work, it's that important that I win."

Obama's mother was a communist, his mentor was Frank Marshall Davis, Black Liberation Theology, Reverend Wright, Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Saul Alinsky. He states in college he surrounded himself with Marxists and professors with those views. "Show me your freinds...."

Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. I'm noted fooled by him.

This isn't about party, it's about the direction our country will go in.

Do you really agree with Pelosi and Reid? They will set the agenda.

Anna I agree. I don't really care for McCain however at least he is a patriot and believes in America he is the one we need in office now. Someone who will work to bring the US back to greatness. Even after being a POW in probably the most unpopular war in America's history he never turned his back on America, he has earned the position of President. What did Barrack Hussien Obama ever do for America? He hasn't even finished his first term in office as a Senator. And if he is so good for America why aren't all those people you listed out there campaigning for him? Is it because his true positions will be revealed and he knows he would lose?
Don't worry about all those yelling and screaming, they know in their hearts that Obama is not the leader this country needs but they got caught up in all the hype and now don't know how to back down quietly with dignity, the truth will revealed on Nov 4th.

[Anna]

Jim N,

Thank you; good to know a few of us get it.

I hope people do figure it out. I'm afarid the truth won't be revealed until November 5th, and that will be too late.

[flatrat]

Flatrat,
I am quite capable of understanding someone's words and I don't need the Washington Post or anyone else to "clarify" for me. I get who he is and what he believes. I am amazed at how many of the statements he makes need to be clarified. How his associations need to disregarded. His arrogance is unsurpassed. " Take the day off from work, it's that important that I win."

Obama's mother was a communist, his mentor was Frank Marshall Davis, Black Liberation Theology, Reverend Wright, Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Saul Alinsky. He states in college he surrounded himself with Marxists and professors with those views. "Show me your freinds...."

Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. I'm noted fooled by him.

This isn't about party, it's about the direction our country will go in.

Do you really agree with Pelosi and Reid? They will set the agenda.

No, I dont particularly like Reid or Pelosi, but I prefer them to Tom Convicted Delay, Bill Frist, "Newt" Gingrich, Donald Rumsfailed, and Darth Cheney, not to mention Phil "Deregulation" Gramm, and Rev. Hagee.


Anna, you're drinking kool aid again. The entire Republican campaign has been based on lies. How many times do I have to hear Obama will raise your taxes, when his tax plan is out there in plain view? They claim voter fraud and practice voter suppression. How many times do we have to hear Bill Ayers when the fact check sites have shown nothing there? Instead of offering a positive vision for the future of America, Republicans have acted like little yipping ankle biting dogs, barking out epithets and negatives. And the country isnt buying it.

And Jimbo, you call McCain a "patriot." He sat out the Vietnam war in a cell, history passed him by. I understand it wasnt his fault, but if he had been around during Vietnam, he might have recognized the same mistakes being repeated in Iraq, with the same lame justifications. His Captain Ahab approach to Iraq- "Win at all cost-damn reality!" demonstrates a singular disregard for the greater picture, and a lack of sophistication regarding the balance of power in the mideast. We have had 8 years of "What we have here is a failure to communicate." That's enough.

And How is McCain going to restore America? With his "tax breaks for the rich" economics? With his bullying pigheaded refusal to negotiate with the real world? With his jingoisitic bullying of other nations? With the moral example of torture, Guantanamo and Abu Graib? With his appointment of a cabinet and advisers with the world expertise of Sarah Palin?

Its tough to throw your weight around when you're skinnier than the Olsen twins. And America has become very skinny. The Bush diet hasnt worked. The McCain diet is the Bush diet with a cherry on top. You can wave all the flags you want, but a pig with lipstick is still a pig.

[RC12L4]

you are always correct sir, even though I have seen very little evidence supplied by you that supports any of your positions either. My opinions are mine and I really don't feel the need to go into great detail in this forum anymore. Obama will win and you don't like it.

Translation: I only regurgitate what I'm told to believe.

[Anna]

Flatrat,

You're not listening, I'm not a Republican and I never drink Kool aid. :)
Alright, forget Ayers, how about the rest of them?

I am concerned about this country taking a sharp left and not being able to correct. Read the Constitution again and see if this country is still using it as it's guide.

Pelosi and Reid are serving now and will be in charge, the others you mentioned are not. Why don't you like Pelosi and Reid, their views are very much in line with Obama's?

[flatrat]

Flatrat,

You're not listening, I'm not a Republican and I never drink Kool aid. :)
Alright, forget Ayers, how about the rest of them?

I am concerned about this country taking a sharp left and not being able to correct. Read the Constitution again and see if this country is still using it as it's guide.

Pelosi and Reid are serving now and will be in charge, the others you mentioned are not. Why don't you like Pelosi and Reid, their views are very much in line with Obama's?

First of all if you are going to state Obama's mother is a communist, offer us some proof.

I don't like Reid and Pelosi because they didn't toss "Zell" Lieberman out of the party. They needed Lieberman to maintain a majority in the Senate, at least for some issues, so they were right in not tossing him, but I still didnt like it. He will be persona non grata after Nov 4. He made his bed, its time to lie in it (get it? LIE?)

Let me also make a prediction. I used to hear from people like Sean Insanity on Faux News that Obama is the most liberal member of the senate. My prediction is that if elected, he will manage from the center and tick off a lot people to the left of center (like me).

Ah the constitution, glad you brought it up. We used to have one before Bush-Cheney. Wonder if anyone can still find it. I agree with you that we need to return to it. I think Obama will respect it, and I like to think McCain would also. The constitution should not be a partisan issue. I know certain right leaning people (Like Sean Insanity, and Bill Orally) hate the ACLU, and call it communist, but I support ACLU because it supports the constitution. (Never knew the constitution was a communist plot). Do you support the ACLU?

The problem is that George Bush and Shooter Cheney have concentrated so much power in the executive branch in the last 8 years, what with all those executive orders and stuff. We no longer have a balance between the three branches of government as our forefathers wished. Now if Obama wins (or McCain), the new president will have that precedent set forth by George and his republican shooting VP.

I hope either one uses it wisely. Last year at this time we all thought the beneficiary of all that executive power was going to be Hillary.

So relax, the country wont veer sharp left, it may lean back toward the center.

Rest assured, Dick Cheney will be keeping an eye on things from a secure undisclosed location.

[Modica]

Translation: I only regurgitate what I'm told to believe.
You give some examples and then I will give some examples. Tit for tat. Many of the Republicans are becoming a bit crazed at this point. They are losing their grip on The White House and can't accept it. The tone of the posts are a bit nasty. oh well when President Obama gets in you will all have hours to rant and rave about him. And to the people who pick on me, you wouldn't constantly reply if you thought that all my rants were BS.

[RC12L4]

You give some examples and then I will give some examples. Tit for tat. Many of the Republicans are becoming a bit crazed at this point. They are losing their grip on The White House and can't accept it. The tone of the posts are a bit nasty. oh well when President Obama gets in you will all have hours to rant and rave about him. And to the people who pick on me, you wouldn't constantly reply if you thought that all my rants were BS.

You're the one making statements about people who disagree with you, you make many vast assumptions and paint with a broad brush when you post. I'm simply asking you to provide some facts and figures about the statements you make which you obviously can't do.

I'll gladly answer any questions you have about any statements I've made on this board.

[rapuda]

It amazes me how much fear is out there for, Al Gore, John Kerry, and now Barack Obama. According to Rush, O'Reilly and Hannity, the world as we know it will end if either of them become president. The fear tactics by these guys and some others is incredible. What's even more incredible are the people that believe these lies.

Where is the outrage by these same people for the mess we have now with the almighty Bush 43 in command? 6 out of the last 8 years have had a republican congress. Why all of a sudden is the thought of democrats in control creating such anxiety? The leaders we have now are sending this country towards another great depression, but we're worried about Obama?

I'm going to repeat myself again. If you are satisfied with Bush than vote for McCain.
If you want a new direction and a different course of action within our government, than vote Obama.

I truly get angered when lies are believed, regardless of where the lies came from. Research the stories first before you allow them to be truth.

[Modica]

You're the one making statements about people who disagree with you, you make many vast assumptions and paint with a broad brush when you post. I'm simply asking you to provide some facts and figures about the statements you make which you obviously can't do.

I'll gladly answer any questions you have about any statements I've made on this board.
I am really not sure what statements you are talking about. It is easy to say I paint with a broad brush, but you do also. You make your funny little jokes and short statements, which are fine, but don't knock me when you do the exact same thing. When I have talked about healthcare in the past, all you ever say is "How will we pay for it?" or "How can we afford it?" You have never explained how we find the other money to bail out fat cats and fund a never ending war, but can't find the money to help others. Whatever I could throw at you would never convince you that your opinions are flawed and don't work in the world of the middle class. Flatrat gave you several well backed up examples of tax breaks for the rich and also reasons why our healthcare policy needs to be changed. You never tried to debunk anything he or she said, because I guess a sound bite or a clever comment is more easily used against others who disagree with your opinions.

[RC12L4]

I am really not sure what statements you are talking about. It is easy to say I paint with a broad brush, but you do also. You make your funny little jokes and short statements, which are fine, but don't knock me when you do the exact same thing. When I have talked about healthcare in the past, all you ever say is "How will we pay for it?" or "How can we afford it?" You have never explained how we find the other money to bail out fat cats and fund a never ending war, but can't find the money to help others. Whatever I could throw at you would never convince you that your opinions are flawed and don't work in the world of the middle class. Flatrat gave you several well backed up examples of tax breaks for the rich and also reasons why our healthcare policy needs to be changed. You never tried to debunk anything he or she said, because I guess a sound bite or a clever comment is more easily used against others who disagree with your opinions.

I'll welcome anyone to disagree with my opinions, in fact if someone does I'll try my best to provide more information about my opinion. You on the other hand never do that, you just start in with the straw man argument of "You're a terrible person because you won't help people...blah blah blah" I've never said that I'm against helping anyone but you've accused me and many other people of doing just that.

If you want to have a discussion then lets have one but if you continue to make drive by posts I'll continue to point out the absurdity of them.

[Modica]

I'll welcome anyone to disagree with my opinions, in fact if someone does I'll try my best to provide more information about my opinion. You on the other hand never do that, you just start in with the straw man argument of "You're a terrible person because you won't help people...blah blah blah" I've never said that I'm against helping anyone but you've accused me and many other people of doing just that.

If you want to have a discussion then lets have one but if you continue to make drive by posts I'll continue to point out the absurdity of them.
Let's see, Drive by Post? Did you steal that from your boy Rush Limbaugh? If my posts are so absurd then you are foolish for responding to them. I have stayed away from this forum for awhile. I think you missed me. You seem to hang on my every word. I really like it when I see that you have responded to one of my posts. You are very amusing at times. I know that you are terribly ****ed off about The Crypt Keeper, but you will have four years to ***** about President Obama. That will keep your little fingers quite busy.

[RC12L4]

Let's see, Drive by Post? Did you steal that from your boy Rush Limbaugh? If my posts are so absurd then you are foolish for responding to them. I have stayed away from this forum for awhile. I think you missed me. You seem to hang on my every word. I really like it when I see that you have responded to one of my posts. You are very amusing at times. I know that you are terribly ****ed off about The Crypt Keeper, but you will have four years to ***** about President Obama. That will keep your little fingers quite busy.

I don't listen to Rush and I dont' watch Fox News but again nice straw man argument. I'm not ****ed off about anything concerning politics actually. I just enjoy sitting back and watching the trainwreck that is happening and it's not based on who sitting in the White House.

The fed just cut the interest rates again. Isn't that, according to Greenspan, one of the mistakes that was made that lead to us being in this mess? 700 billion dollar bailout? Anyone involved with that should be ashamed of themselves. Now it's being talked about 500 billion to bailout bad mortgages?

Is anyone in this country responsible for anything?

[Modica]

I don't listen to Rush and I dont' watch Fox News but again nice straw man argument. I'm not ****ed off about anything concerning politics actually. I just enjoy sitting back and watching the trainwreck that is happening and it's not based on who sitting in the White House.

The fed just cut the interest rates again. Isn't that, according to Greenspan, one of the mistakes that was made that lead to us being in this mess? 700 billion dollar bailout? Anyone involved with that should be ashamed of themselves. Now it's being talked about 500 billion to bailout bad mortgages?

Is anyone in this country responsible for anything?
Can't disagree there.

[mysharona]

Flatrat,
I am quite capable of understanding someone's words and I don't need the Washington Post or anyone else to "clarify" for me. I get who he is and what he believes. I am amazed at how many of the statements he makes need to be clarified. How his associations need to disregarded. His arrogance is unsurpassed. " Take the day off from work, it's that important that I win."

Obama's mother was a communist, his mentor was Frank Marshall Davis, Black Liberation Theology, Reverend Wright, Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, Saul Alinsky. He states in college he surrounded himself with Marxists and professors with those views. "Show me your freinds...."

Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. I'm not fooled by him.

This isn't about party, it's about the direction our country will go in.

Do you really agree with Pelosi and Reid? They will set the agenda.

Anna, would you please be good enough to provide a link or an article you read that states Obama's mother was a communist??

Many, many months ago I googled her name, and I must have read 10 or so articles about her, and I just do not recall anything I read stating his mother was a communist.

Thank-you in advance.

[mysharona]

I am really not sure what statements you are talking about. It is easy to say I paint with a broad brush, but you do also. You make your funny little jokes and short statements, which are fine, but don't knock me when you do the exact same thing. When I have talked about healthcare in the past, all you ever say is "How will we pay for it?" or "How can we afford it?" You have never explained how we find the other money to bail out fat cats and fund a never ending war, but can't find the money to help others. Whatever I could throw at you would never convince you that your opinions are flawed and don't work in the world of the middle class. Flatrat gave you several well backed up examples of tax breaks for the rich and also reasons why our healthcare policy needs to be changed. You never tried to debunk anything he or she said, because I guess a sound bite or a clever comment is more easily used against others who disagree with your opinions.

Yes, you are so right, RC does exactly what you have said. I have noticed it on other threads he has posted on.

RC, comes across rather arrogant, and pompous, when he lists all his questions to whatever the other person's opinion or fact of the matter is. It's really rather amusing, because he always lists them one right after the other, in perfect order.

[flatrat]

Anna, would you please be good enough to provide a link or an article you read that states Obama's mother was a communist??

Many, many months ago I googled her name, and I must have read 10 or so articles about her, and I just do not recall anything I read stating his mother was a communist.

Thank-you in advance.

I too am waiting for any kind of documentation of Anna's outrageous accusations.

[RC12L4]

Yes, you are so right, RC does exactly what you have said. I have noticed it on other threads he has posted on.

RC, comes across rather arrogant, and pompous, when he lists all his questions to whatever the other person's opinion or fact of the matter is. It's really rather amusing, because he always lists them one right after the other, in perfect order.

I forgot we aren't allowed to ask questions, you're voting for Obama right?

[mysharona]

I forgot we aren't allowed to ask questions, you're voting for Obama right?

RC12L4, it isn't about being allowed or not being allowed to ask questions. That thought is rather a foolish one.

RC, it's not what you say, it is how you say it. As I said, I have noticed it before on other threads. You write your questions like you are attacking the person, when you don't like or agree with what they say. Your questions are sharp and pointed and almost harsh, as though you are throwing them at the other person.

Yes, you are right, I am casting my vote for Obama. I feel he is the right choice, I have hope and confidence that he will get this great country back on track.

Also, I feel we will gain back the respect as a country that we have lost during these last eight years.

I have a great respect for John Mccain, in regard to his being a prisoner of war during the Vietnam conflict. I admire any man or woman who has fought for our country. Being a prisoner of war does not earn anyone the right to be president of our great country.

[Jim N]

RC12L4, it isn't about being allowed or not being allowed to ask questions. That thought is rather a foolish one.

RC, it's not what you say, it is how you say it. As I said, I have noticed it before on other threads. You write your questions like you are attacking the person, when you don't like or agree with what they say. Your questions are sharp and pointed and almost harsh, as though you are throwing them at the other person.

Yes, you are right, I am casting my vote for Obama. I feel he is the right choice, I have hope and confidence that he will get this great country back on track.

Also, I feel we will gain back the respect as a country that we have lost during these last eight years.

I have a great respect for John Mccain, in regard to his being a prisoner of war during the Vietnam conflict. I admire any man or woman who has fought for our country. Being a prisoner of war does not earn anyone the right to be president of our great country.
I agree being a POW does not earn the right to the presidency. But the way McCain came thru it proves his patriotism, honor and courage. In my opinion they are the virtues the President of the USA requires.
What qualifications does Obama bring? He didn't want to wear the American flag because it would offend other nations (definitely not the action of a patriot) his wife was never proud to be an American until he was nominated (she had no trouble earning millions and I have not seen them give half of those to the poor) he hasn't even finished his first term as a senator.
I doubt we will gain back respect if Obama wins since he doesn't want to offend other nations we will perceived more as a wimp rather then a strong country. While I agree obscene profits are wrong people and business are not going to grow or start up in a country where the are penalized for success.
Those are my comments and questions, anyone want to answer them without hype or rhetoric please do.

[alwaysright]

bring anna into this fray. she's always good for some fear mongering. To me, the best part of an Obama win will be at least 4 years of rubbing it to the faces of supporters of little george, big george and McCaged.
The world will get better in time- but most of us will be dead and gone by then- which might push madundertaker over that 250 g's mark and he'll get taxed like he should.

[alwaysright]

I agree being a POW does not earn the right to the presidency. But the way McCain came thru it proves his patriotism, honor and courage. In my opinion they are the virtues the President of the USA requires.
What qualifications does Obama bring? He didn't want to wear the American flag because it would offend other nations (definitely not the action of a patriot) his wife was never proud to be an American until he was nominated (she had no trouble earning millions and I have not seen them give half of those to the poor) he hasn't even finished his first term as a senator.
I doubt we will gain back respect if Obama wins since he doesn't want to offend other nations we will perceived more as a wimp rather then a strong country. While I agree obscene profits are wrong people and business are not going to grow or start up in a country where the are penalized for success.
Those are my comments and questions, anyone want to answer them without hype or rhetoric please do.

That caged man did not wear a flag pin at any of the debates- I think that congress and senate should investigate him to see why- did the Viet cong finally get through to him???

Jim- you are backing a loser.

[Jim N]

That caged man did not wear a flag pin at any of the debates- I think that congress and senate should investigate him to see why- did the Viet cong finally get through to him???

Jim- you are backing a loser.
If it becomes President McCain are you going to be so depressed and have such a breakdown you will become lovable, friendly,warm and fuzzy in your posts?

[Anna]

Forgive me, I don't know how to put your quotes on the forum, so as you know what I am responding to.

In reference to Ann Dunham, Obama's mother, this was my assessment from what I have read about her. Marxist may have been a better term. Her influences during 8th grade and through HS were quite left leaning. There is a very interesting article on Chicagotribune.com about her education. She was extremely bright and was drawn to 2 teachers named Val Foubert and Jim Wichterman. Mercer High School was extremely left leaning in it's philosophy. There is little about her, but what we do know, is she lived a very unconventional life. She influenced her son and the influences she brought into her son'e life were people like Franklin Marshall Davis. She appeared to be a kind and thoughtful person. She was definately a Leftist and so is Obama. He should have written a book about his mother.

I'm not sure why people are so upset about the terms Communism, Socialism and Marxism. Review these political ideas and see if this is what our counrty is heading towards. Many on this forum, who are pro Obama, agree with the idea of redistribution of wealth. The rich are evil. The government should do more and more. Everyone should have everything, whether they have earned it or not. After an Obama rally where he spoke, a woman in the audience said, ( I'll paraphrase) " It was the greatest moment in my life. I won't have to worry about putting gas in my car, I won't have to worry about paying my mortgage." Excuse me? What exactly does she think Obama is going to do? Who will pay your mortgage? Maybe me? I guess "the nanny state" is coming to town. The more involved the government gets in your life, the more freedoms we forfit. This goes for both parties!

If Obama is elected, I will pray everyday for him. Pray that he is a good president and that he has guidance to help us through these difficult times.
I also pray that he doesn't move this country anymore to the left, but I doubt it.



OK, I'm ready! Just don't get too nasty...:)

[flatrat]

Forgive me, I don't know how to put your quotes on the forum, so as you know what I am responding to.

She was definately a Leftist and so is Obama. He should have written a book about his mother.

If Obama is elected, I will pray everyday for him. Pray that he is a good president and that he has guidance to help us through these difficult times.
I also pray that he doesn't move this country anymore to the left, but I doubt it.


OK, I'm ready! Just don't get too nasty...:)

Left of what? Left of Bush McCain? You are absolutely correct. Its all a matter of perspective. That's why the simplification of labels do ones political belief a disservice.

If I believed in prayer, I would also pray for Obama. I would also pray for McCain. Its a difficult job. I cant understand why someone would seek the position.

Many people in the "right" portion of the spectrum are now in fear of an Obama presidency. I think he is cool and rational and will use his best judgment. I also think he will govern more from the center than we have seen in a long time. I think he has leadership qualities and communications skills. He will surround himself with advisers with "experience." He has judgment.

Remember Jim, Lincoln was an inexperienced state legislator from Illinois. Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfailed all had 30 years of experience, and what did it get us?

I still think we can all appreciate and respect John McCain's service to the country, and still vote for "that one."

[iwantwallingfordbetter]

Why is it in politics that once you have an opion that opion cannot change....How many of your thoughts changed from your younger days....at what age did it hit you that your father or mother did know what they were talking about. I know over time my views have changed on how i look at things.

[mysharona]

Forgive me, I don't know how to put your quotes on the forum, so as you know what I am responding to.

In reference to Ann Dunham, Obama's mother, this was my assessment from what I have read about her. Marxist may have been a better term. Her influences during 8th grade and through HS were quite left leaning. There is a very interesting article on Chicagotribune.com about her education. She was extremely bright and was drawn to 2 teachers named Val Foubert and Jim Wichterman. Mercer High School was extremely left leaning in it's philosophy. There is little about her, but what we do know, is she lived a very unconventional life. She influenced her son and the influences she brought into her son'e life were people like Franklin Marshall Davis. She appeared to be a kind and thoughtful person. She was definately a Leftist and so is Obama. He should have written a book about his mother.

I'm not sure why people are so upset about the terms Communism, Socialism and Marxism. Review these political ideas and see if this is what our counrty is heading towards. Many on this forum, who are pro Obama, agree with the idea of redistribution of wealth. The rich are evil. The government should do more and more. Everyone should have everything, whether they have earned it or not. After an Obama rally where he spoke, a woman in the audience said, ( I'll paraphrase) " It was the greatest moment in my life. I won't have to worry about putting gas in my car, I won't have to worry about paying my mortgage." Excuse me? What exactly does she think Obama is going to do? Who will pay your mortgage? Maybe me? I guess "the nanny state" is coming to town. The more involved the government gets in your life, the more freedoms we forfit. This goes for both parties!

If Obama is elected, I will pray everyday for him. Pray that he is a good president and that he has guidance to help us through these difficult times.
I also pray that he doesn't move this country anymore to the left, but I doubt it.



OK, I'm ready! Just don't get too nasty...:)

On the right side of the page at the bottom there is the word "quote", click on it.

[Anna]

Why is it in politics that once you have an opion that opion cannot change....How many of your thoughts changed from your younger days....at what age did it hit you that your father or mother did know what they were talking about. I know over time my views have changed on how i look at things.


Are you refering to Obama changing as he got older?

Mysharona, Thank you so much..