End of the American dream

[Jim N]

Mediocre
It appears that the mediocre, the untalented, and the lazy to name a few have taken over and due to their numbers have effectively ended the American dream. You know them, you may even be one of them, and it does appear they are in the majority. These are the people who feel that they can do anything as well as an expert in that field, providing the standard is lowered. They have always been among us and up until recently they had stayed with their own kind moaning and groaning complaining how they could have hit that pitch if it wasn’t thrown so fast, or skied that mountain if it wasn’t that steep, or played that song if…. written that book if…. you know the type nothing but excuses. You need all types to make a society and everyone has their place and things work fine. Those that can do it and do it reap the rewards, those that can’t do it as well or at all but assist those who can reap their rewards. The ones that do nothing but moan and complain lived on crumbs. All of a sudden things have changed; politicians have decided that to stay in their do nothing but act and look important at photo ops jobs they need votes. What a better wellspring to tap for votes then the mediocre. They already have grandiose dreams of themselves, now some of them can come to be realized. Not by hard work of their own, oh no by having politicians “legally” rob under the guise of taxes the ones who work and produce and give the proceeds to the mediocre. This is a real lowering of the standards of the mediocre. They use to take pride in doing their own robbing. I guess everything gets out sourced today.
Unless something is done in this upcoming election to keep Obama and his cohorts Farrakhan, Jackson, Sharpton, Ayers and the rest of the ilk he pals with out of power forget about asking your boss for a raise it will just be taken away by the government for welfare either before you get it or after you get it. Probably after so that you’ll be in a higher tax bracket and you can feel proud you make so much even though those on welfare are now living better then you.

[mysharona]

Mediocre
It appears that the mediocre, the untalented, and the lazy to name a few have taken over and due to their numbers have effectively ended the American dream. You know them, you may even be one of them, and it does appear they are in the majority. These are the people who feel that they can do anything as well as an expert in that field, providing the standard is lowered. They have always been among us and up until recently they had stayed with their own kind moaning and groaning complaining how they could have hit that pitch if it wasn’t thrown so fast, or skied that mountain if it wasn’t that steep, or played that song if…. written that book if…. you know the type nothing but excuses. You need all types to make a society and everyone has their place and things work fine. Those that can do it and do it reap the rewards, those that can’t do it as well or at all but assist those who can reap their rewards. The ones that do nothing but moan and complain lived on crumbs. All of a sudden things have changed; politicians have decided that to stay in their do nothing but act and look important at photo ops jobs they need votes. What a better wellspring to tap for votes then the mediocre. They already have grandiose dreams of themselves, now some of them can come to be realized. Not by hard work of their own, oh no by having politicians “legally” rob under the guise of taxes the ones who work and produce and give the proceeds to the mediocre. This is a real lowering of the standards of the mediocre. They use to take pride in doing their own robbing. I guess everything gets out sourced today.
Unless something is done in this upcoming election to keep Obama and his cohorts Farrakhan, Jackson, Sharpton, Ayers and the rest of the ilk he pals with out of power forget about asking your boss for a raise it will just be taken away by the government for welfare either before you get it or after you get it. Probably after so that you’ll be in a higher tax bracket and you can feel proud you make so much even though those on welfare are now living better then you.

It appears to me that you are more lame than I had originally thought.

Your thought process is somewhere wayyyyyyy out in left field. None of your posts are ever indicitive that you are a nice person, or even decent.

I have read all your posts since you joined the forum, and in all honesty, I shake my head, and think how pathetic you are.

This latest post really doesn't make much sense, at least to me it doesn't.

If you have something to say about obama/Biden that might enlighten us mediocre, untalented, lazy people, then say it!

[alwaysright]

be careful sharrona- if you don't agree with posts, or call someone a name, you might get censored.

but you are 100% correct about that guy. he sees that his lame party is going down and is starting to rant and rave. probably listens to rush and hannity.

[Jim N]

be careful sharrona- if you don't agree with posts, or call someone a name, you might get censored.

but you are 100% correct about that guy. he sees that his lame party is going down and is starting to rant and rave. probably listens to rush and hannity.
I would hope mysharrona would not be censored for sharing her views. I believe that is what this forum is for. It takes people with her views and mine along with yours alwaysright to make this world. I've worked since I was 13 and was only on uneployment twice in my life when I got off active duty for 1 month and then for a week when my company had a slow down. So everything I have I earned and I have little tolerance for those who expect to have it handed to them for nothing. My feelings. Also I have heard that if something upsets you look inside yourself that's probably where the anger is truly directed.
Anyway I hope we all go on expressing different views and making each other and others think or look at things from different perspectives.
P.S.
I really don't care who wins the election. With the powerbases of the lobbyists and multinationals so firmly entrenched nothing of any substance will change. It's just fun to watch the responses I get.

[alwaysright]

Jim- I'm with you and I can hardly believe it! I have also worked all my life. My grandfather talked the mgr into giving me into a bagging job at the old shoprite on W Main when I was just 14- tall, but certainly a babyface, so I don't know how the mgr allowed it. I got canned when they found out I was not 16. Then, shortly thereafter, I started working in the business my Dad bought- where I worked all through high school and college and eventually bought the business myself. So.... although I have been unemployed for months at a time by my own design, I was NEVER eligable to collect unemplyment due to being self-employed. I still work, although much much less in hours and difficulty. Summers off, lots of breaks and since I've had hardly any bosses in my life, I'm very lucky that the fine folks who employ me now are both easy and generous.

That said- I'm not rich. Self employed people pay not only ALL of their health care costs-(not anymore for me!!!)- and we also have to save what we can when we could manage to cheat the tax man. BUT I still agree that the people making 250g's can and should pony up a bit more than the middle class.


and so glad that a conservative guy like you does NOT support censorship- the broad calling for me to be reigned in has posted some pretty inflamatory things herself. I've had a post removed- and I believe it was just-I was really angry at a person on the board and got carried away- but that's human nature and I did not disagree with the moderator on that one!

So- read me or block me, I don't care- and Jim, we can keep sparing and have fun.

[iwantwallingfordbetter]

What need changing is the american way....we need to start making stuff here.....we ned to make everything here, why are we importing toothpaste, why are we importing additives that make our animals sick, what are we importing milk?.....we need to change the thinking of americans.. cheap is not the answer to everything...the big business people have you convinced that we need china bucause you can buy stuff cheaper that american made...as this might be true, over time is has bitten the US in the ass...we closed down the textile mills, shippent them job overseas, we closed down the customer service in this country - sent them jobs overseas, we broke up my bell many years ago into 5 or 6 parts and what do we have, verison and att, we deregulated ourselves right out of our jobs. we need jobs, and I'm now talking about the jobs in retail, god knows that we have enough retail in this country for the next 10 years, we need jobs that people work with their hands, we need jobs where someone builds something...we need alternative energy jobs, solar install, geothermal, wind, these jobs jobs create growth, growth creates more jobs...we also could use transportation coustruction jobs (roads, bridges).....(not mass transit, big was of money)......With the right person in the white house maybe jobs will be created.....I like Obama's green energy plan to create millions of jobs.....I could see solar panels or some type of geothermal on about 75% of the homes and businesses in the country......This should be the next manhatten type project.....The next president need to figure out how to get things made here....it's time to think USA first.....if that means higher tariff on import, so be it.....It is time we look out for ourselves...its time to stop think global and start think usa....

[rapuda]

BUT I still agree that the people making 250g's can and should pony up a bit more than the middle class.

People who make 250k a year are already paying more than a little bit more than the middle class. If someone in the middle class pays 22% of his wages to taxes and someone making 250k a year pays 36% of his wages to taxes, how isn't that enough?

A 50,000 wage earner, $11,000 a year in taxes.

A 250,000 wage earner, $90,000 a year in taxes.

That's more than a little bit more, don't you think?

[alwaysright]

BUT I still agree that the people making 250g's can and should pony up a bit more than the middle class.

People who make 250k a year are already paying more than a little bit more than the middle class. If someone in the middle class pays 22% of his wages to taxes and someone making 250k a year pays 36% of his wages to taxes, how isn't that enough?

A 50,000 wage earner, $11,000 a year in taxes.

A 250,000 wage earner, $90,000 a year in taxes.

That's more than a little bit more, don't you think?


OK, it's a bit more- however- you'd vote for McCaged on this alone, and let all his obvious failings go by the wayside? You'd be happier with a percentage point or two more, rather than have a healthy young person without antiquated ideals in the office? You'd want palin as pres when he has the inevitable heart attack, stroke or dementia set in???????? too bad. Cuz bama will win.

[mysharona]

What need changing is the american way....we need to start making stuff here.....we ned to make everything here, why are we importing toothpaste, why are we importing additives that make our animals sick, what are we importing milk?.....we need to change the thinking of americans.. cheap is not the answer to everything...the big business people have you convinced that we need china bucause you can buy stuff cheaper that american made...as this might be true, over time is has bitten the US in the ass...we closed down the textile mills, shippent them job overseas, we closed down the customer service in this country - sent them jobs overseas, we broke up my bell many years ago into 5 or 6 parts and what do we have, verison and att, we deregulated ourselves right out of our jobs. we need jobs, and I'm now talking about the jobs in retail, god knows that we have enough retail in this country for the next 10 years, we need jobs that people work with their hands, we need jobs where someone builds something...we need alternative energy jobs, solar install, geothermal, wind, these jobs jobs create growth, growth creates more jobs...we also could use transportation coustruction jobs (roads, bridges).....(not mass transit, big was of money)......With the right person in the white house maybe jobs will be created.....I like Obama's green energy plan to create millions of jobs.....I could see solar panels or some type of geothermal on about 75% of the homes and businesses in the country......This should be the next manhatten type project.....The next president need to figure out how to get things made here....it's time to think USA first.....if that means higher tariff on import, so be it.....It is time we look out for ourselves...its time to stop think global and start think usa....

Good post!!

This post is more of what I expect on a forum.

[rapuda]

alwaysright,

I'm beginning to think you pick fights with others who post something you don't like. I've already posted numerous times that I won't vote for McCain. Obama is the better choice of the two, but I won't vote for him either.

[iwantwallingfordbetter]

whats the point of not voting

[rapuda]

I never said I wasn't going to vote.

[Falls Plain Resident]

I can't believe that an intelligent person somehow thinks that NOT VOTING is somehow a way to voice his displeasure with the candidates!

If you agree that under McCain, we'd be likely to enter WWIII sooner or later because of his hair-trigger temper, why would you leave it to others to ensure this doesn't happen??

Yes, you already pay more taxes than someone earning 1/5 of your income. And your point is??? I'll bet if you looked at the way THEY live vs the way YOU live, you use a lot more of just about EVERYTHING and reap the benefits of that income. When I made a good salary, I would often think "How the heck will I ever spend all this?!" So I gave more to United Way, the Food Pantry, the Heating Fund, even the Salvation Army bellringer, because I learned the leson about SHARING.

What good is it if your house is all lit up, with food in the cupboards, HDTVs blaring, a Mercedes ME6-Million parked in the driveway, if people around you are afraid?If old people are cold and hungry and are going without their blood pressure medication to buy food?If the disabled woman has to choose between her food or her electric bill?

Hating people who have less than you is something that became popular since Reagan and Trickle-Down Economics. Then selfishness gained popularity under the Thousand Points of Light under George the First (Bush). All that uncaring egocentricism gained momentum throughout the last eight years.

I pray the empathy, compassion, and altruism regain popularity under Obama.
If all of us taxpayers didn't get FORCED to bail out the wealthy in the 700Zillion-Dollar "Rescue" Plan (your own little Welfare Program for the Rich!), perhaps some very wealthy people might have learned the lesson that POOR can happen to ANYONE! You're just a good job and your portfolio away from being just like the rest of us!

[rapuda]

Falls plain,

Are you venting at me or society in general? If your anger is directed at me, explain why. I'd like to know how talking about taxes with alwaysright got your wrath directed at me.

I do agree with your comment about how one bad situation could cause a change in ones lifestyle such as a job loss, or illness.
I also agree things need to change such as education. Anyone, including my kids, should be able to get a college education that they can afford such as what other countries like Germany and France have. Those countries will pay for college as long as you maintain a C average. In this country, people struggle to afford college. The rich (me), get no help from anyone for their kids because we're "rich". So now I have to save $200,000 for each one of my children to go to college. People say, you can afford it, stop crying. After taxes, insurances, saving for retirement, and saving for college, theres not as much left over as most would think.
I've never said we have it hard. We live comfortably. But it wasn't always this way. We were the middle class for many years before we got here. And yes we also donate to charities.
I'm just trying to point out to people that you should look at both sides of the issue,(taxes) before you start rich bashing.

As far as voting, Obama has CT locked up. If it were a close race here, I would vote for him, even though I believe he will unfairly tax me. However since I believe he'll unfairly tax me and my vote won't matter anyway, I can't vote for him.

Just out of curiosity, when is a person considered financially rich?
What financial brackets do the middle class fall within?