Anyone have a problem with people getting tax credits/returns

[RC12L4]

Even if they don't pay taxes to begin with?

[flatrat]

Even if they don't pay taxes to begin with?


Economists Favor Obama
A new poll of economists finds Sen. Barack Obama is overwhelmingly preferred over Sen. John McCain by a 66% to 28% margin.

The survey consisted of 523 economists who are both U.S. citizens and members of the American Economic Association.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/09/16/economists_favor_obama.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk8XpLHG_4A
http://sefora.org/2008/10/05/economist-poll-strong-majority-of-economists-favor-obama/

The McCain campaign should spend more time studying economics and less time smearing their opponent with dirty tricks, robocalls, and lies.

[Anna]

Obama believes in Marxism. He thinks the redistribution of wealth is what the government should be doing. This has been his thinking since college. It is not a secret. If you have this opinion, vote for Obama. If you don't vote McCain. These are the choices. Pick your poison.

[alwaysright]

even in some former repub strongholds. even in some swing states. better to have socilaism creep in than to have a maniacle damaged McCaged behind the desk in the oval office- mere feet away from that red button.
and plus... he's bound to die in the next few years- or have a little stroke. Then we'd be stuck with that befuddled palin and her brood of hillbilly dog sledders.

[RC12L4]

3 replies and not one answer to the original question. Can I get an answer and not a cut and paste from a website?

[alwaysright]

No, I have no problem with people getting money who don't pay taxes to begin with. The super rich have had all kinds of breaks- time for the little guy. tax the rich. feed the poor.

[Anna]

Of course this is wrong and will put us closer to a deep recession or worse. It's just another Welfare check. If you are going to tax us more, at least use it to pay down our debt. This way everyone benefits. It is the only place money should go to, not another social program. Just be clear, higher taxes in this enviornment is economic suicide. It shouldn't even be on the table.

[flatrat]

Obama believes in Marxism. He thinks the redistribution of wealth is what the government should be doing. This has been his thinking since college. It is not a secret. If you have this opinion, vote for Obama. If you don't vote McCain. These are the choices. Pick your poison.

Thanks for the mindless regurgitated Republican talking point. Its so important to reduce every complex issue down to cute simple phrases so the base can understand them. Marxism=Obama=Fear=Bad=Be Afraid. Approaches like this dont solve our problems.

But then, maybe I should adopt your insight over those of all the economists.

[flatrat]

3 replies and not one answer to the original question. Can I get an answer and not a cut and paste from a website?

I cut and paste because if I dont, you demand to know where I got that information. I dont make it up, really.

I cant provide you an answer, you're mind is already made up.

[rapuda]

Hello RC12L4. I haven't seen you post much lately.
I'll answer your question which will create controversy.
I don't like people getting credit or money back on their taxes when they paid less than their getting back, or no taxes at all. I've had discussions about this in previous posts. I have an even bigger problem with my taxes being raised in order to give others a decrease in their taxes. I can handle my taxes going up if it were for a purpose such as our debt, but not for tax relief to someone else. To me that's playing Robin Hood. Take from the rich and give to the poor. I understand the more you make the more you should pay in taxes, but you can't do it in a way that creates class warfare. And if you don't pay taxes you certainly should NOT be getting money back on your refund, or get back more than what you paid.
My household income 20 years ago was $50,000. Now we make over $250,000a year. We worked hard to get here. Why should my taxes increase in order to give someone else a decrease? If you want to make more money than do what we did and earn it. Go to school and learn a skill that pays more, or work more hours.
It kills me how 250k is considered rich. It's a comfortable living, but it isn't rich. Try living in NY city with 250k, or California, or Fairfield county here in CT. You can't talk about CEO's making millions and then compare them to people earning 250k a year.
Now you may think I'd support McCain due to what I wrote, but I'm not voting for either candidate. McCain is Bush 43 all over again and Obama will raise my taxes unfairly. I will say though that I feel Obama is the better choice of the two. His VP choice is also the better choice of the two.

I answered your question the best I could RC12. Lets see what responses I get.

[Anna]

Flatrat, thanks for the insult. Not really necessary. I'm not a Republican, make that clear. I am a conservative however. The press gave us both these candidates, not the people. They are both inadequate to say the least. I'm not sure which one will do the most damage. They will both do damage for sure. Forgive me for not being impressed with economists, Alan Greenspan helped get us into this financial mess.

[alwaysright]

Of course this is wrong and will put us closer to a deep recession or worse. It's just another Welfare check. If you are going to tax us more, at least use it to pay down our debt. This way everyone benefits. It is the only place money should go to, not another social program. Just be clear, higher taxes in this enviornment is economic suicide. It shouldn't even be on the table.


anna, if you are making over 250,000 then, yes- you'll be paying more. But you can afford it. It's way past the time for the middleclass to get a break. and that's what Obama will do. Unlike McCaged who is in your rich ass corner. Too bad. pay up.

[alwaysright]

Hello RC12L4. I haven't seen you post much lately.
I'll answer your question which will create controversy.
I don't like people getting credit or money back on their taxes when they paid less than their getting back, or no taxes at all. I've had discussions about this in previous posts. I have an even bigger problem with my taxes being raised in order to give others a decrease in their taxes. I can handle my taxes going up if it were for a purpose such as our debt, but not for tax relief to someone else. To me that's playing Robin Hood. Take from the rich and give to the poor. I understand the more you make the more you should pay in taxes, but you can't do it in a way that creates class warfare. And if you don't pay taxes you certainly should NOT be getting money back on your refund, or get back more than what you paid.
My household income 20 years ago was $50,000. Now we make over $250,000a year. We worked hard to get here. Why should my taxes increase in order to give someone else a decrease? If you want to make more money than do what we did and earn it. Go to school and learn a skill that pays more, or work more hours.
It kills me how 250k is considered rich. It's a comfortable living, but it isn't rich. Try living in NY city with 250k, or California, or Fairfield county here in CT. You can't talk about CEO's making millions and then compare them to people earning 250k a year.
Now you may think I'd support McCain due to what I wrote, but I'm not voting for either candidate. McCain is Bush 43 all over again and Obama will raise my taxes unfairly. I will say though that I feel Obama is the better choice of the two. His VP choice is also the better choice of the two.

I answered your question the best I could RC12. Lets see what responses I get.


pay up you make enough.

[Jim N]

3 replies and not one answer to the original question. Can I get an answer and not a cut and paste from a website?
I have a big problem with people who don't pay taxes getting money back. (See my post under Vent No work,No Vote). Why should people who work hard to improve their standard of living have more money taken from them to lower their standard of living to bring some lazy bums standard of living up? I have a big problem with that. Not with giving a hand up to people who had a down turn and are trying to find work and improve their lot on their own temporary help for retraining, schooling, helping after an illness or injury, we should do that. However generations of the same family living on welfare, never finishing school, having a baby everytime they want more money. I have a big problem with that put them to work somewhere even if it's shoveling the sewers make working for an employer more attractive then welfare. Yes it is their right to have a baby but it's not my responsibilty to pay for it. If you're on welfare have all the babies you want it's your right, where you get the money to support them is your problem it's not coming from my taxes. Let the anti abortion/anti birth control churches and people pay for them not my taxes.

[rapuda]

pay up you make enough.

Thank you for proving my point alwaysright.

Obama will be the beginning of class warfare. He's saying if you make 250k a year, you're just as well off as Warran Buffett. He wants to "spread the wealth" from people who are closer to the middle class than the millionare CEO's. I understand the rich keep getting richer, and the middle class need a break, but 250k a year is not rich. Try saving for 2 kids to go to college, because you won't get help from anyone while earning 250k a year.
People who make 250k are in the highest tax bracket, pay more than the middle class in taxes, but receive less in benefits. We also DO NOT have the tax write offs that the wealthy get, or the tax breaks that the middle class get. I've been on both sides in regards to taxes. Awhile ago we were hurting for money, and now we're comfortable. The American Dream worked for us.
It seems now, the American Dream is to take from the have's and give to the have nots. That's what your posts say to me alwaysright.

I have to agree with Jim N. from a previous post.
Why should people who work hard to improve their standard of living have more money taken from them to lower their standard of living to bring anothers standard of living up? I have a big problem with that. Not with giving a hand up to people who had a down turn and are trying to find work and improve their lot on their own temporary help for retraining, schooling, helping after an illness or injury, we should do that.

To raise my taxes to help our country as a whole is acceptable. We all hold that responsibility. To burden my income further to lower anothers income burden, is unacceptable.

I said it in previous posts.
The rich bashing is about to begin.

[flatrat]

Flatrat, thanks for the insult. Not really necessary. I'm not a Republican, make that clear. I am a conservative however. The press gave us both these candidates, not the people. They are both inadequate to say the least. I'm not sure which one will do the most damage. They will both do damage for sure. Forgive me for not being impressed with economists, Alan Greenspan helped get us into this financial mess.

Anna, I apologize for the insult...I could tell you are a conservative, with the Goldberg stuff.

We can only play the hand we are dealt. Or I guess we can refuse to play but that is self defeating.

I just think 4 more years of 8 years of "trickle down" hasnt worked for anyone but the very rich. I know Bush is not a fiscal conservative, he has been fiscally reckless. But he gave the neocons (Kristol, Wolfowitz) a carte blanche the past 8 years with their foreign policies, and that hasnt worked either. Iraq has been a political disaster. Our military strength has been weakened. And we need to get the religious extremists out of government and restore the first amendment. (and the fourth).

We need to restore America to power. That is best done by regaining world respect. Obama is more likely to regain that respect on multiple levels. Once we have it back, we can start improving things. McCain has the social and diplomatic skills of George Bush. We cant get respect by bullying. How can someone that sings "Bomb Iran" be taken seriously on the world political stage? The "world" outside of America is strongly for Obama.

I suspect you are for Ron Paul. I like a lot of Libertarian stuff, and I am sympathetic, but I cant buy the whole Libertarian package. I think we have a moral obligation to those less fortunate. Paul has said some smart stuff and should have more of a platform in this election, but he has too much racist and other baggage to be a serious candidate.

I would have loved to have seen a debate with Ron Paul and Ralph Nader. I think diversity of opinions helps, not hurts. I also encourage everyone to monitor media outside of the US corporate profit driven drivel that passes for journalism these days. Like watching Faux News gives one a narrow perspective or reality, so too does watching only American media.

[RC12L4]

I cut and paste because if I dont, you demand to know where I got that information. I dont make it up, really.

I cant provide you an answer, you're mind is already made up.

Translation: You can't actually put your thoughts together on your own.

[Falls Plain Resident]

I am always amazed at how cruel some people are, who couldn't care less if many of the poor are elderly and disabled people.

Then they turn around and profess to be a holier-than-thou Christian and try to tell me if I can use birth control or that I must deliver my rapist's baby.

It seems it's every person for themself these days. One can starve in the street and I guess some people think that is what is SUPPOSED to happen.

I am glad I was always kind, paid my taxes and supported the less fortunate.Anyone with half a brain knows the poor didn't cost us $700 Billion, it was the corrupt thieves, the bankers, CEOs, the wealthy. What we give to the poor is a pittance compared to that!

Do you know that you have to make less than $254 a month to get food stamps? YOU try to live on $254 a month! Some people HAVE to!

I don't know how the rest of you selfish cheap people can hold your heads up.
And you say you worship Jesus! Hypocrites! You should be ashamed!

I hope Barack wins and teaches you how to be kind to each other. I am old now, and it didn't always use to be like this. You nasty cheap ones must not remember when we all used to take care of each other.