Anyone else have problem dirt bikers???

[klt6703]

So this is about the fifth time in a couple weeks that I ended up spending an afternoon indoors... after being out on my deck with my newborn son (I'm currently on maternity leave), only to have a group of dirt bikers revvvvv by, making a ridiculous amount of noise and kicking up a cloud of dusty dirt. Then they ride back by in the other direction - and then back again - and then back and forth they go. What's worse -- they're riding ILLEGALLY on a strip of power lines behind our home, a portion of which resides on our actual property. We've tried to block it off - they move our "barracades." What the heck do I do - call the cops? That seems so silly and I realize they don't have many places to ride but I'm sick of not even wanting to be outside in my own yard because of the noise. Are we the only ones with this problem?

[S_Meriden60]

You have some options. You could call the police and maybe stop them from hitting a car, pole, etc. Or just hope they go away someplace else....right.

[jma]

Call the police, and ask for the supervisor in charge of the quads. One of the reasons they bought them was to enforce the laws regarding dirt bikes and other quads riding illegally. They did a good job nailing people behind Platt High a couple years ago.

[eds]

If they are going onto your property, use these:

http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/urdefense_2010_24767303

http://www.defensedevices.com/caltrops.html

Place them on that portion of your property that is being violated and they will flatten their tires.

You can also get yourself some large stones that cannot be moved without mechanised equipment.

[jma]

It may flatten their tires, but if they lose control and hit a tree, count on a lawsuit. The short-term victory may not be worth the long-tern battle, especially if someone gets seriously injured or killed.

[RC12L4]

http://www.hometowninvasion.com/photos/470/IMG_5608.jpg

[eds]

It may flatten their tires, but if they lose control and hit a tree, count on a lawsuit. The short-term victory may not be worth the long-tern battle, especially if someone gets seriously injured or killed.
Anyone can sue for anything. A tort is a non-contractual civil wrong not related to a breach of contract. They have to prove a tort of negligence or in the case of injury an intentional tort of battery. They need to prove intent or perhaps plain negligence. In the case of negligence they would have to show the duty of the property owner to show the bikers care, that the injury was foreseeable, and that the owner fell below his duty of care. In this case, since the bikers are trespassing, there is no duty of care. There is not an established riding trail located there. So no negligence, no tort.

However you can then counter sue for a tort of trespass since they would have to admit to being on your property. They also have to prove that you were the one who put the spikes there to show a breach of care involving the knowledge of a hazard. Yet no duty of care is required of the property owner to the trespasser. They have to prove that the spikes caused the damage. They have to show that their bikes were in working order and that some other malfunction did not contribute to the injury. CT is a contributory negligence state. They have to prove that they did not contribute to their own injury. They have to prove the dirt bikers were acting in a legal manner. It takes a lot to prove a tort.

But then again, if they fell at that exact spot that is your property, you'd have the same injury case. The bikers fell on your property. Actually by not filing a police report and not doing anything about it, you could be considered to have given implied consent. You have knowledge of the facts and did nothing about it.Though that is unlikely. The fact is they are trespassing on private land and no duty of care is required other than common decency.

Essentially the duty to trespassers involves simply duty of humanity or decency. You can use whatever non-lethal means necessary to prevent trespass or to discourage trespassing or to stop trespassing. Placing a sign warning the trespassers of potentially hazardous conditions is all that is required for known hazards. Placing the spikes, if proven you did that, would indicate a known hazard. Though if not proven that you did it, the hazard cannot be proven to be known. However trespassers cannot sue property owners for injuries sustained while trespassing. The property owner owes no duty of care to a trespasser and owes no duty of discovery to find all the hazards on their property to protect potential trespassers from.

Think of it like those spikes that rental car companies put at the entrances and exits to their parking lots. If you trespass onto their property, drive over them and deflate your tires, the rental car company cannot be sued. There are signs posted warning of those dangers. Think of it like placing razor wire around your property. If someone is injured climbing over the wire, they cannot sue.

Large immovable stone rocks are another option.

[Chriss P]

First put up large wood signs "NO MOTOR BIKES" "NO TRESSPASSING".

Then use the spikes. You may also call CL&P and touch base with them.

We have the sam issue at Cockanponsette Forest as some land owners doesn't want our mountain bikes crossing his property. We obey his whish as he has made it clear.

Who knows maybe one of us placed the spikes in sympathy with you.

[jma]

You're correct that anyone can sue for anything. I personally couldn't live with myself if I caused severe injury or death for something that boils down to a nuisance. If it's someone breaking into my house, or doing harm, fine. Possibly killing someone because they annoy me? No thanks.

[Chriss P]

" Possibly killing someone because they annoy me? No thanks.
Reply With Quote"

Didn't Jesse James kill someone for snoring too loud.

You bring up a point Jma. How about a warning sign "Spikes in Use"

[jma]

better than a commando hit on them! At least warning them gives them the decision to risk their lives.

[Jim N]

" Possibly killing someone because they annoy me? No thanks.
Reply With Quote"

Didn't Jesse James kill someone for snoring too loud.

You bring up a point Jma. How about a warning sign "Spikes in Use"
How about educate don't legislate or litigate. What they are doing is illegal so we don't need more laws and whether or not they'd win a lawsuit you don't need the headaches or cost. I suggest contacting the New England Trail Riders Assoc at http://www.netra.org and asking them for suggestions. I'm sure Netra has gone thru this time and time again. It maybe as simple as putting up a sign directing them to a legal riding area close by.

[eds]

Sure. And don't forget to give them a cold glass of lemonade in case they get thirsty on their way to the proper trail.

[Jim N]

Sure. And don't forget to give them a cold glass of lemonade in case they get thirsty on their way to the proper trail.
I think that a very neighborly thing to do. When life gives you lemons, make lemonade and share it.

[eds]

I think that a very neighborly thing to do. When life gives you lemons, make lemonade and share it.

:D:D:D:D

ROFLMAO

[klt6703]

Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I certainly don't want anyone to get hurt -- like the idea of trying to block it off with some larger items and posting warnings before progressing to the spikes. I guess contacting the authorities is probably a good idea too - just so it's on record that we made a complaint. The last thing we'd want is someone getting hurt (without our even doing anything) and then even going through the headache of a lawsuit just b/c they say it was on our property.

[Charles E. Peevyhouse]

Anyone can sue for anything. A tort is a non-contractual civil wrong not related to a breach of contract. They have to prove a tort of negligence or in the case of injury an intentional tort of battery. They need to prove intent or perhaps plain negligence. In the case of negligence they would have to show the duty of the property owner to show the bikers care, that the injury was foreseeable, and that the owner fell below his duty of care. In this case, since the bikers are trespassing, there is no duty of care. There is not an established riding trail located there. So no negligence, no tort.

However you can then counter sue for a tort of trespass since they would have to admit to being on your property. They also have to prove that you were the one who put the spikes there to show a breach of care involving the knowledge of a hazard. Yet no duty of care is required of the property owner to the trespasser. They have to prove that the spikes caused the damage. They have to show that their bikes were in working order and that some other malfunction did not contribute to the injury. CT is a contributory negligence state. They have to prove that they did not contribute to their own injury. They have to prove the dirt bikers were acting in a legal manner. It takes a lot to prove a tort.

But then again, if they fell at that exact spot that is your property, you'd have the same injury case. The bikers fell on your property. Actually by not filing a police report and not doing anything about it, you could be considered to have given implied consent. You have knowledge of the facts and did nothing about it.Though that is unlikely. The fact is they are trespassing on private land and no duty of care is required other than common decency.

Essentially the duty to trespassers involves simply duty of humanity or decency. You can use whatever non-lethal means necessary to prevent trespass or to discourage trespassing or to stop trespassing. Placing a sign warning the trespassers of potentially hazardous conditions is all that is required for known hazards. Placing the spikes, if proven you did that, would indicate a known hazard. Though if not proven that you did it, the hazard cannot be proven to be known. However trespassers cannot sue property owners for injuries sustained while trespassing. The property owner owes no duty of care to a trespasser and owes no duty of discovery to find all the hazards on their property to protect potential trespassers from.

Think of it like those spikes that rental car companies put at the entrances and exits to their parking lots. If you trespass onto their property, drive over them and deflate your tires, the rental car company cannot be sued. There are signs posted warning of those dangers. Think of it like placing razor wire around your property. If someone is injured climbing over the wire, they cannot sue.

Large immovable stone rocks are another option.

The duty owed a trespasser is extremely limited. A landowner is under no duty to watch out for trespassers or to anticipate their presence. Goudreau v. Connecticut Company, 84 Conn. 406, 80 A. 281; Whitney v. New York, N.H.& H.R. Co., 87 Conn. 623, 89 A. 269; Salemme v. Mulloy, 99 Conn. 474, 121 A. 870.

A landowner is generally not liable to a trespasser upon his land [*3] for failure to use care to safeguard the trespasser from injury due to conditions upon the land. McPheters v. Loomis, 125 Conn. 526, 7 A.2d 437; Skladzien v. Sutherland Building & Construction Co., 101 Conn. 340, 125 A. 614.

However, a landowner does owe a duty of care to avoid injuring a trespasser when his presence is known and he is in a position of peril. Kuharski v. Somers Motor Lines, 132 Conn. 269, 43 A.2d 777; Salemme v. Mulloy, 99 Conn. 474, 121 A. 870.

§ 52-557j. Liability of landowner upon whose land snowmobiles, all-terrain vehicles, motorcycles, minibikes or minicycles are operated.

No landowner may be held liable for any injury sustained by any person operating a snowmobile, all-terrain vehicle, as defined in section 14-379, motorcycle or minibike or minicycle, as defined in section 14-1, upon the landowner's property or by any passenger in the snowmobile, all-terrain vehicle or motorcycle, minibike or minicycle, whether or not the landowner had given permission, written or oral, for the operation upon his land unless the landowner charged a fee for the operation, or unless the injury is caused by the wilful or malicious conduct of the landowner

Follow eds advice at your own peril and make sure your homeowners insurance is paid.

[ruppsterdog]

You can't steer an ATV enthusiast to a legal trail, there aren't any in Connecticut. Our great state (yea right) gladly takes our sales tax dollars and places them into the general fund instead of purchsing land to legally ride. Maybe Gaffey should look into a registration process for these machines, there are in excess of 70 thousand of them in the state, imagine the income!

[Chriss P]

We just had a ATV illegaly riding on the trails call here in Middletown. Seems the police responded immediately. I never heard what the result was though.

[klt6703]

Thanks all. In case you are wondering, the response I got back from the NETRA was that there are no "legal" places for the bikes in Connecticut. We are planning to purchase some no trespassing signs and also make some of our own so that its clear we're directing it at the bikes. If that doesn't work, I'm going to have to call the cops... which should be interesting considering the neighborhood rumor that one of the riders is a cop's son, and another rider is a fire dept member's son. (It's always nice when our own town employees don't obey the rules... what a great way to set an example. Not.)

[Chriss P]

You have my full support on this issue klt.

Hope you get some good results.

[RC12L4]

To everyone My name is ********. with my dog .I'm not going to hide my name .We are being terrorized by the people who ride and destroy our peace,the woods,where deer and eagles live..Eagles!!! our national symbol why are we hiding ...we need to face these ''home grown terrorists'' and take back our peace.. I love my home,my dog,the people of Meriden but the noise pollution from the machines AND that go cart place will stop only when we unite and stop it ourselves... the go cart place is louder than a highway but highways have sound barriers why not them!!! The people who run those machines have NO respect for us or the land.They also have parents...and what are their parents teaching them...its OK to destroy the neighborhoods' peace and destroy the little bit of nature we have ...because its better than having them ''hanging on the street corner'' BS its not a choice of one or the other,they could work and clean up the woods and river...they could learn RESPECT how bout that what an idea!! I need people with GUTS the guts to stand up to the terrorists,as I have,we have the power we pay the taxes I'm not putting up with it....every day I walk my dog from my back yard down to the red bridge and back at about 3;00 PM I will live free or die free from terrorism,free to have peace and quiet in my yard If anyone wants to walk with us ,come on out I'm out there not just for me but also for the people who are trapped in their homes ,afraid and being terrorized ...remember that cry ''lets roll'' well whos with me....

Both dirt bikes and the Silver City Quarter Midgets track has existed for 30+ years, why is this an issue now?

[iwantwallingfordbetter]

rape has existed for thousands of years doesn't make it right the time argument is BS if something is irritating it makes no sense because its been irritating this long makes it even more of a reason to quiet it down all I would love to have is just a sound barrier like on the highway

the sooner you get to work on the sound barrier the sooner it will be quite...happy sawing

[skifreek]

rape has existed for thousands of years doesn't make it right the time argument is BS if something is irritating it makes no sense because its been irritating this long makes it even more of a reason to quiet it down all I would love to have is just a sound barrier like on the highway

So do you want a sound barrier for the midget races that are annoying as SH*T and go on through the deep night??? Or just the lousy dirtbikers who are doing nothing more than riding on existing walking/clp trails...

[roger d]

I just wish that people would have their fun without bothering another persons fun I enjoy sitting outside thinking and listening to the river but with all this noise my fun is destroyed by their fun and thats breach of peace the whole issue is breach of peace and if I breach your peace then I am wrong I pay too much in taxes to afford to go anywhere so how about some peace

[RC12L4]

I just wish that people would have their fun without bothering another persons fun I enjoy sitting outside thinking and listening to the river but with all this noise my fun is destroyed by their fun and thats breach of peace the whole issue is breach of peace and if I breach your peace then I am wrong I pay too much in taxes to afford to go anywhere so how about some peace

What happens when someone fires up a lawnmower?

[RC12L4]

to RC12L4 would you please delete your reply to my long message so my personal info is deleted my girlfriend saw my message and now will not visit me because she is afraid of trouble I can't cook and I'm running out of clean dishes eating is more important than noise thank you

All done, have a good day.

[Common Sense]

We have had success by having our Community Police Officer visit the offender's in our neighborhood. There was a young boy no more that seven or eight flying up and down the streets with no parental supervision on a dirt bike. He could have easily been killed by a car backing out of a drive way or he could have lost control. Luckly for us he was 'caught in the act' by our officer. Problem solved!! We also had adults roaring around on them. Again we found where they lived and had our Community Police Officer pay them a visit.
Unfortunately people can ride them on their own private property which I understand is a problem on the East Side.
I hope this is of some help.

[ruppsterdog]

This situation will never go away until bikers are given their due, a legal place to ride. Contact your local state rep and tell them to open up unused and abandoned forrests to ride in. West Virginia makes over 7 million dollars per year on tourism for opening up the Hatfield-McCoy trail system. If you wake up our half dead representatives to this fact maybe it would alleviate the riding situation you are dealing with, and will continue dealing with, until land is opened up to ride on.

[Common Sense]

Where is there open space or forests here in CT that can be opened up safely? And what about the issue of liability? Unfortunately there are those that ride these vehicles with no respect for the land or their neighbors and so they have all been given a bad reputation deserved or not. A prime example is the new linear trail by Red Bridge which kept being vandalized. The police were able to follow the ATV tracks but then lost them on the pavement over the cliff. If someone purchases an item that is illegal to use here in CT and uses it knowing so, then they are subject to arrest plain and simple. Purchasing something with the intent of breaking the law doesn't excuse them. They are expensive but I am sick of the whining about being able to purchase them and then not use them. Give me a break because I don't believe they can possibly be that stupid. I believe there are trails in some of Northern New England that also welcome ATV's, ski machines etc. Let them go there because I doubt we will see the law change here. Having said all that, if someone owns a large parcel of land here in CT, with the proper waivers they could make a fortune renting it out.

[flatrat]

This situation will never go away until bikers are given their due, a legal place to ride. Contact your local state rep and tell them to open up unused and abandoned forrests to ride in. West Virginia makes over 7 million dollars per year on tourism for opening up the Hatfield-McCoy trail system. If you wake up our half dead representatives to this fact maybe it would alleviate the riding situation you are dealing with, and will continue dealing with, until land is opened up to ride on.

Why do we have to "give" bikers a place to ride? My experience with dirt bikers has been the world owes them a place to ride, and many have no respect for private property.

And can you direct me to any "unused or abandoned" forests in CT? Just because woodlands are undeveloped, does not mean they are "unused." And the people paying taxes on that land are usually not the dirt bikers.

If dirt bike trails were so lucrative financially, someone in the private sector would have already opened one, or more.

You want to ride dirt bikes? Knock your socks off. But to buy a dirt bike/ATV for yourself or your child, with no legal place to ride, is irresponsible.

[Chriss P]

The bikers and ATV's have ripped up the Bluetrail behind Guiffrida park. It makes it real hard now for the hikers and the traprock is all ripped up and the trail is now very rough. This is a prime example.

[roger d]

breach of peace.....lawn mowers,chain saws nail guns are used by homeowners to improve their home dirt bikes and ATV are used for fun but if your fun interferes with my ability to have fun than its breach of peace....if I bought a tank and wanted to drive it around the neighborhood,is it your responsibility to make me a track there is no such thing as ''unused forest'' just ask the deer maybe the gocart place has been going for 30 years but my home was built 60 years ago If I was using the gocart track I would have enought class to respect the neighborhood and build a sound barrier No one is just driving on ''preexisting trails'' I walk the woods and new trails are flaten out every week soon it will be just a flat dirt area also when people use common land they should leave it as they found it the dirt bikes and ATVs tear up the land and dump oil and gas all over also erode the soil killing plants parents should teach their children to follow the law always not just when it suits them......... what are our taxes for if not at least some peace and quiet enforced by the police

[RC12L4]

breach of peace.....lawn mowers,chain saws nail guns are used by homeowners to improve their home dirt bikes and ATV are used for fun but if your fun interferes with my ability to have fun than its breach of peace....if I bought a tank and wanted to drive it around the neighborhood,is it your responsibility to make me a track there is no such thing as ''unused forest'' just ask the deer maybe the gocart place has been going for 30 years but my home was built 60 years ago If I was using the gocart track I would have enought class to respect the neighborhood and build a sound barrier No one is just driving on ''preexisting trails'' I walk the woods and new trails are flaten out every week soon it will be just a flat dirt area also when people use common land they should leave it as they found it the dirt bikes and ATVs tear up the land and dump oil and gas all over also erode the soil killing plants parents should teach their children to follow the law always not just when it suits them......... what are our taxes for if not at least some peace and quiet enforced by the police

A little background before I make my post. I was born and raised in the very neighborhood you are living in right now, 36 years ago. In fact my grandmother still lives there to this day.

Dirt bikes, and ATVs have been driving around back there for as long as I can remember. In fact there are far far less bikes/ATVs back there now than ever. I can remember sitting on my grandmothers patio in the summertime watching no less than 10-12 dirt bikes riding around in the summer months. We could see them because back then there were no trees blocking our view. How about I dig up some 40 year old pictures that show what that land looked like back then? It was nothing but flat empty sand pits everywhere. In fact it was known as the "pits" when I was a kid for that very reason. 30 years later it's basically a forest now. Back then there were no deer, today my grandmother gets deer 20 feet from her back door. I've seen more wildlife back there in the 2 years since I've been back to Meriden then I ever have.

I won't even go in to detail about how many stolen/abandoned cars used to sit back there, the city has done a pretty damn good job of cleaning that place up.

Your theory that they're killing the plant and wild life holds no water.

FYI: You live two doors down from a Meriden police officer, the next time you're being disturbed knock on his door and let him know or just call the police.

As far as the go cart track, it's been there for 30 years if it's that much of an issue the people who live far closer to it than you do would have complained a long time ago. They race during the day and sometimes in to the night if they're having a major even like last years Eastern Grands. What next? Are you going to have them build a wall around Habershon field too? I can hear the National Anthem and teh announcer calling the game from my Grandmothers house.

Maybe you should have researched the location of your house a bit better 4 years ago when you bought it or maybe you should just lighten up.

[RC12L4]

I should have reserched before buying but coming from fair haven I figured anything was better than gun fights day and night .I don't really understand your point are you saying I don't have a right to try to get a little more quiet around here. Becuse I haven't lived here 50 years,I don't have the same rights as people who have... Then why do I pay the same taxes..The indians lived here for thousands of years should they have more say than you...I don't care what bull**** people want to do as long as they don't breach my peace you don't like me buy my house or stop talking bull**** at me....but I ain't gona be bullied around...why do you insist that because the dirtbikes and gocarts have been tearing up the woods and putting out noise pollution for long before I got here that I should shut up and take the abuse...at least in fair haven everyone had the same right to get shot or not there was no senority we pay the same taxes there is no senority what the hell are you saying you want to talk down to me just leave me the hell alone My father did 30 years in the U.S.Navy on subs took many a depth charge killed many an enemy and died from war wounds He would tell me all the time''son I fought so you could be free to think,say and do what you want in this world as long as you allow others the same freedoms...If I were to wimp out it would be a slap in his face...no f in thanks I'll be free or die ...I love my father with all my heart ..he never wimped out he was also a boxer for the navy and never lost a fight and if you think I'm a pain you would not like my father so these are just words we type and put on this blog but if you want to tell me how to live I won't back down and I'll stand my ground anything less ....my father would have died in vain....and THAT will never be.....

Good luck fighting for quiet in the middle of the day. Do some research about what breach peace is and if it applies to all house of the day.

BTW if you're worried about the plant life when will you be confronting your neighbor who's cutting down the trees behind his house on city owned land?

Also, will you be protesting the Meriden airport? You're house is right in the middle of the flight path.

[ruppsterdog]

Why do we have to "give" bikers a place to ride? My experience with dirt bikers has been the world owes them a place to ride, and many have no respect for private property.

And can you direct me to any "unused or abandoned" forests in CT? Just because woodlands are undeveloped, does not mean they are "unused." And the people paying taxes on that land are usually not the dirt bikers.

If dirt bike trails were so lucrative financially, someone in the private sector would have already opened one, or more.

You want to ride dirt bikes? Knock your socks off. But to buy a dirt bike/ATV for yourself or your child, with no legal place to ride, is irresponsible.

http://www.trailsheaven.com/about/hatfield_mccoy_trail_economic_impact_report.aspx

[roger d]

Good morning..........I have been trying to refine this argument to make it clearer
There are 2 types of noise I am talking about
1 Essiential noise,noise as a byproduct of the progression of peoples worlds.....trains,planes.lawnmowers etc..
2 Nonessential noise,noise as a byproduct of selfish entertainment....dirtbikes,ATVs
both #1and#2 noises may bother people but the difference is their usefullness.
When I argured that dirtbikes produce irritating noise your response was to put lawn mowers in apples and oranges two different types of noise
Then when I suggested having a sound barrier around the gocart place,you put in a barrier around the airport apples and oranges again
The dirtbikes are totally nonessential,where the gocart place is partly essential because it does bring money into area stores.
My argument is ''if a person is causing noise that irritates their neighbors,and that noise is nonessential,as in a selfish dirtbike ride behind their homes,then that noise should not be allowed''
''And if a person is causing noise that is irritating their neighbors,but that noise is partly essential,than maybe a compromise could be reached so the noise level is brought down for the neighbors,and the people can
still enjoy their cocarts. by lumping together both essential and nonessential noises as equal value to progress is only ''muddying the waters'' and if the nonessential noises are to be called equal to the essential noises ,then it should be shown to be clearly good for peoples progress.... and that argument can not be used if the noise has been deemed illegal
Now the argument can be between what one does or does not call essential for the peoples progress.
Then an easy way to resolve the dispute is to ask all people in the effected area if
#1 Y..yes we want an end put to this noise
N..no we like the noise as it is
And #2 Y..yes we would want a sound barrier put around the gocart place to lessen the noise
N...no we like the gocart noise just as it is This would be my plan to try to resolve this dispute.....

[flatrat]

http://www.trailsheaven.com/about/hatfield_mccoy_trail_economic_impact_report.aspx

I say again, if there were money to be made in CT with dirt bike trails, someone in the private sector would be doing it. I thought there is or was a private dirt bike track in Milford.

And re the noise, if dirt bikes were four stroke rather than two stroke, or better yet, electric, there would be far fewer complaints about them.

Two stroke also pollutes much more, which is why outboards have migrated to four stroke.

I would never go into your back year and start digging. I will never understand why you feel no qualms about riding your knobby tire noise machines through my yard, or anyone else's.

And ATVs and dirt bikes must be registered by law (14-380 CGS). Good luck finding a plate on any of them as they whiz through your property. They have all decided to exempt themselves from property taxes.

I still think the noise is the biggest complaint. Horses cause as much trail damage, if not more, but people are less passionately opposed to them.

[RC12L4]

I say again, if there were money to be made in CT with dirt bike trails, someone in the private sector would be doing it. I thought there is or was a private dirt bike track in Milford.

And re the noise, if dirt bikes were four stroke rather than two stroke, or better yet, electric, there would be far fewer complaints about them.

Two stroke also pollutes much more, which is why outboards have migrated to four stroke.

I would never go into your back year and start digging. I will never understand why you feel no qualms about riding your knobby tire noise machines through my yard,m or anyone else's.

And ATVs and dirt bikes must be registered by law (14-380 CGS). Good luck finding a plate on any of them as they whiz through your property. They have all decided to exempt themselves from property taxes.

There are no legal places in CT to ride dirt bikes yet the state want's them registered.

[roger d]

The state doesn't miss a thing when it comes to taking money from the people.I wonder why the parents of these kids who ''wizz''around arn't more respectful of the law and I thought there was some kind of fine or something that parents had to cover if their kids damage property or cause harm to other people,until they are 18

[flatrat]

There are no legal places in CT to ride dirt bikes yet the state want's them registered.

You can legally ride them on your own property without registering them. You can legally ride them on another's property, if you have their permission, but then you must register them.

Most riders dont own enough property to qualify for the first condition.

[ruppsterdog]

why register them? you get nothing in return, when you pay registration and property taxes for a car you get roads to drive them on, no so with an off road vehicle. If the state put the taxes into a fund for riding areas like they should, then more peeps would register. Get used to "illegal" riding like I said before, it will never go away until off roaders are given a place to ride.

[flatrat]

why register them? you get nothing in return, when you pay registration and property taxes for a car you get roads to drive them on, no so with an off road vehicle. If the state put the taxes into a fund for riding areas like they should, then more peeps would register. Get used to "illegal" riding like I said before, it will never go away until off roaders are given a place to ride.

well when you do get caught, you get a ticket and a tow.

Why follow any law you dont believe in?

That seems to be the prevailing attitude of the dirt bike/ATV community. You nailed it.

And I'm not paying for your place to ride. Pay for it yourself.

I dont play golf, but you dont see golfers whining about the state giving them a place to golf. And you dont see them going into strangers' yards and making divots in their lawns.

They go to golf courses, and pay their own way. And the golf courses make money. And golfers wear funny costumes just like dirt bikers, and also drive funny 4 wheel vehicles.

[roger d]

Last year when they had that big thing at the go cart place,the newspaper had 7 days worth of stories and about 7000 words on that place...Not ONE STORY DID I READ ABOUT HOW THE NEIGHBORS thought about all the noise NOT ONE WORD are we just second class citizens when it comes TO the noise that place puts out why didn't the paper interview one of the thousands who are affected by that noise?? '' Oh ya I can't wait to invite friends over so we can sit in the back yard and not hear a thing we are saying to eachother'' or even inside the house having to turn the TV up just to hear over that damm noise it goes right through my house and my head...Why don't the gocart people have ANY respect for the standard of living that all of us around that place have ruined by their noise??? Why are we just second class citizens?? someone told me that the noise is ''grandfathered'' in I didn't know you could ''grandfather'' in terrorism....Why do they put up sound barriers on some stretches of highway when that gocart place is 10xs louder than 90% of those highway stretches?? I don't doubt there was some kind of political payoff so they could set up with no barriers whatever isn't it just human respect of your neighbors to try and lessen the noise one subjects their neighbor to out of simple decency,unless those neighbors are just ''second class citizens''

[RC12L4]

well when you do get caught, you get a ticket and a tow.

Why follow any law you dont believe in?

That seems to be the prevailing attitude of the dirt bike/ATV community. You nailed it.

And I'm not paying for your place to ride. Pay for it yourself.

I dont play golf, but you dont see golfers whining about the state giving them a place to golf. And you dont see them going into strangers' yards and making divots in their lawns.

They go to golf courses, and pay their own way. And the golf courses make money. And golfers wear funny costumes just like dirt bikers, and also drive funny 4 wheel vehicles.

Why should people without kids have to pay for swings and jungle gyms at hubbard park?

Are you also against allowing boaters to use rivers, stream, lakes and ponds? Why should us non boaters have to pay money for their recreation?

Why should non skateboarders have to pay for the skate park? Did you protest your tax dollars going to support this?

[RC12L4]

Last year when they had that big thing at the go cart place,the newspaper had 7 days worth of stories and about 7000 words on that place...Not ONE STORY DID I READ ABOUT HOW THE NEIGHBORS thought about all the noise NOT ONE WORD are we just second class citizens when it comes TO the noise that place puts out why didn't the paper interview one of the thousands who are affected by that noise?? '' Oh ya I can't wait to invite friends over so we can sit in the back yard and not hear a thing we are saying to eachother'' or even inside the house having to turn the TV up just to hear over that damm noise it goes right through my house and my head...Why don't the gocart people have ANY respect for the standard of living that all of us around that place have ruined by their noise??? Why are we just second class citizens?? someone told me that the noise is ''grandfathered'' in I didn't know you could ''grandfather'' in terrorism....Why do they put up sound barriers on some stretches of highway when that gocart place is 10xs louder than 90% of those highway stretches?? I don't doubt there was some kind of political payoff so they could set up with no barriers whatever isn't it just human respect of your neighbors to try and lessen the noise one subjects their neighbor to out of simple decency,unless those neighbors are just ''second class citizens''

How much action have you taken to rectify this problem aside from posting here about it? Write a letter to the editor in the journal? Send a letter to the mayor? Show up at a city council meeting?

[roger d]

your right I will.

[ruppsterdog]

don't politicians have anything better to do?

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