View Full Version : Who will win?
Modernliberal
02-01-2008, 06:15 PM
Ok people, sorry about all the polls, but I feel like they are the most effective way in figuring out what I want to know. Also thank all of you for participating. This is simple. Who will be our major candidates for president? Please tell who the candidates will be in a post, then in the poll please vote for the Republican, or Democrat that you listed as the one that will win. So to recap, please post the two major candidates, then vote secretly on the poll whether the candidate will be Republican, or Democrat. Thank you all again. Discussion is always welcome. *Please note the reason why I am limiting it to two candidates is in our current political system it is almost impossible to have a third party candidate elected. So please don't get offended that I didn't include the third parties. This topic is also open for discussion please.*
Modernliberal
02-01-2008, 07:27 PM
I will start things off, I believe McCain and Obama will win their primaries.
leherissierm
02-01-2008, 08:01 PM
I wish Clinton was doing better than he has been. She think she has more experiende that Obama
BillCarson436
02-03-2008, 02:29 AM
Hello...
The media seems to have it between Obama and McCain.
IMHO, the Democrats will loose to McCain
The Republicans want Obama... so what does that tell you ?
and why else would Ann Coulter say she likes Hillary ?
Only Hillary can beat McCain ...and the only ones that can't see that
have blinders on.
There's a method to their madness.
As a lifelong Democrat... I'll vote for McCain before I vote for Obama
ONLY because this country needs an experienced leader... not a new
kid on the block. Sad...isn't it.
I will vote for Hillary IF she survives this Obama " Love Fest " and ends
up on top of the Democratic Nominee.
rapuda
02-03-2008, 01:29 PM
I think Hillary will pull through, although I will say, Obama does energize the audience when he speaks. I think the democrats will win regardless of Hillary or Obama. The country is and should be tired of the last 7-8 years of republican rule. They should be disgusted with how things have turned out under Bush and vote democratic.
That being said, I thought Kerry would win in 2004 after the country saw how much of an idiot Bush was in his first term. It goes to show you that the American public isn't as smart as some would think. Most voters vote by the sound bites and TV commercials. (swift boat commercials) The republicans and Karl Rove realized that. Karl Rove was a political genius. He shaped our countries future more than anybody. Like him or not, he and the republicans out played the democrats, and that's the reason Bush won.
A lot of voters don't research the candidate before they vote. And for that reason I could be wrong about a democratic victory in 2008.
Modica
02-03-2008, 01:51 PM
People please realise that the Republicans want Obama to run because they know he can't win. If you want 4 more years of Republican rule then go ahead vote for Obama. The media is controling this election, and we are finished if we let them get away with it. If Obama wins on Tuesday then the election is over.
collie
02-03-2008, 03:07 PM
If Obama did win, I think he would stand a good chance against McCain. In fact, I think Hillary would lose to McCain. Obama is not as polarizing.
Eastside Bill
02-03-2008, 07:18 PM
I agree with Collie. There is a population that just despises Hillary but I've never been able to get a fix on just why she is so disliked. However, I think Obama is more electable since he comes with much less baggage.
I dislike the political opinions of Hillary Clinton and here is why. Since Fred is out and Wayne Allen Root is not on the ballot on CT yet, I will more than likely be voting McCain. Unless things change Super Tuesday. At this point that is where I am at.
How many people can justify their vote? How many people have research the candidates to make an informed decision?
My thinking is thus:
1. Clinton is against the Second Amendment. She wants to ban all guns outright. McCain supports the Second Amendment as an individual right.
2. Clinton will force health care down our throats through forced purchase of health care. That is not universal healthcare. McCain supports limiting punitive damages for health care suits. Punitive damage claims are the biggest cause of increased health care cost, due to increased insurance premiums. And McCain supports tax deductions for insurance premiums paid.
3. Clinton supports creating a National Affordable Housing Trust Fund for the United States with your tax dollars. My taxes should not be going to help people buy houses. There are plenty of private charities for that, one big one being Habitat for Humanity. If I want to help people it should be my choice not government forced. McCain supports increased funding for child care. This I support because you can't work if you have to watch your kids. For a single mother that is the biggest challenge to working. Kids end up left alone unsupervised just so the mother can work. McCain supports requiring welfare recipients to spend 40 hours a week in work and training programs. He also supports housing assistance for low income families, but that is a bit more limited than a full blown trust fund.
4. Clinton supports maintaining Social Security as it is today and strengthening it. I am against that. McCain wants to allow a portion of SS funds to be invested just like 401Ks and that is what I prefer. My 401K has been doing excellent so why not my SS funds? I want to increase the value of those funds to make SS better for when I retire in 20 years.
I think they are about the same when it comes to foreign policy, give or take. I really see no major differences there.
So those are pretty much the major issues as I see it. And that is why at this point McCain is it for me. That could change of course but that is where I am at now.
As for Obama, there really is not much difference between Obama and Clinton as I see it.
collie
02-04-2008, 12:36 PM
All I can tell you Eastside Bill, from the perspective of a fifty some year old woman's point of view, is Hillary Clinton is weak and a poor role model for women. Any woman who stays with a man who cheats on her, and Bill Clinton was apparently a serial cheater, is a coward afraid to be on her own, little more than using the institution of marriage as a legalized form of prostitution. In her case, remaining in the marriage made her a "better" candidate and she advanced her political career. All that sanctimonious stand by your man crap is just that, crap. And the allegations of Hillary Clinton being a lesbian living a lie are a problem, not because she could be a lesbian, but again because she would be a coward if she were indeed hiding behind the cover of a heterosexual marriage. Apparently what passes as a "strong" woman in the women's movement these days is a pro-abortion stance and you're good to go. Back in the day (braburning) a woman's worth was not defined by staying in some **** poor excuse for a marriage. When I look at a candidate, I'm not picking one who lets herself get walked all over in her personal life.
I don't look at the personal life of Hillary Clinton. Whatever arrangements the Clinton's have together is their business. Take me for example. My wife and I have a unique relationship, very open. We are both faithful, yes, but we both know we ain't dead either. We say look but don't touch. That works for us. For some, even looking gets them in trouble. Those people would think my wife and I are odd in that regard. That are relationship is somehow unfaithful or dysfunctional. So for me if Hillary forgave Bill, or if Hillary has her own affairs perhaps, or she just doesn't care privately what Bill does, then what business is it of mine how they run their marriage? I care how they run the country or propose to run the country. What they do in their personal lives has no bearing on the country. It should remain private.
collie
02-04-2008, 04:23 PM
She'd screw up any leadership position she ever had - perfect example is her totally useless political career. Although I should soften that by saying she has PLENTY of company with her legislative comrades. Phonies and hypocrites running the nation, corruption rampant ... Ah well, reap what you sow. It'll be worth a laugh at any rate.
Super Tuesday this way comes. See you at the polls...
collie
02-04-2008, 09:30 PM
Not til they allow unaffiliated voters to participate in the primaries will I be at any super Tuesday in this state. Have you heard about the "super delegates?" They were talking about them tonight on the news. Super delegates are like old boy network types of power, priviledge, favors returned. Clinton has something like two hundred in her pocket. Super delegates owe no allegiance to the popular vote apparently and I'm assuming they "cast their vote" during the party conventions after the primaries.
On the other hand, perhaps Hillary is using Bill as much as he used her. Maybe she's biding her time, and will boot him out on his ass as soon as she gets what she wants. Personally, I'm done with the Clinton drama, and I'm voting for Obama.
Golden Gooch
02-22-2008, 12:13 AM
Whoever wins the primary in all 50 states will be decided be each one of us voters; case closed Before leaving remember this ; Democracy is not a spectator sport :)
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