PG.... R....or X ? (caution advised )

[BillCarson436]

Hello...

Has anybody been watching this seasons Nip Tuck ?

If so.... have the rules applying to decency been lifted from
this show ?

Just a FEW examples....

Language - My dick, My C*#k, " you can put it in my _____ or
my ___ ...two out of three's not bad... "

Scenes - Lesbian (I know... not new )
defecation in a Hot Tub
simulated Oral Sex
Hymen Replacement
simulated Hand stimulation
simulated drug induced (crack) sex



And that was all just in ONE show ! It drove my wife out of the room !!!

I can't believe none of this has not brought on the wrath of the
once Moral Majority or some conservative groups screaming Boycott !!

[Eastside Bill]

I've never seen the show and probably never will, but if I were to watch it and I found it offensive to me, I'd just change the channel. I just think in general that this is less of an issue than it was a few years back. This is from before my time but I've read that a number of people were in an uproar when Clark Gable said "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn" in "Gone With the Wind." Things have changed...

[collie]

Anyone with a brain who saw the commercials knew that show was FILTH. Most of American TV is moronic. The "comedies" are not funny anymore. I guess there are a lot of voyeurs out there - they need the stimualtion soft core porn provides in order to perform. Doesn't say much for their abilities to enjoy real intimacy. My thumb gets plenty of exercise flicking the TV control. Let's see, what do I watch on a regular basis.... CSPAN, NEWS, Jeopardy, Wheel of Fortune, Antiques Roadshow, PBS, old movies, a little Law and Order, 1970's sitcoms like Sanford and Son. Right now we have the Democratic debates on - bet there's nothing else of value on but trash.

[Wine Guys]

I don’t know who said it or when…
“Television is a Vast Wasteland”
Having said that…
I listen to WPKN or WNPR while I am on-line in the morning… they are my Background noise…
Most day time TV is aimed at morons (my opinion). Thank goodness I am at work and don’t suffer through that (I WOULD NOT watch it even if I could!) I listen to CD’s while at work… While on-line… LOL!:D
By the time I am ready to have the “tube” on as my “background noise” (still on-line…) there isn’t a whole lot worth watching. The sit-coms are so pathetic... Reality shows… whoever thought those up does not live in the Real World… But guess what??? People… Americans… WATCH this crap! What does THAT say about us? :mad:

My choices for my on-line time background noise… after 9PM…
History Channel… PBS… CSI (sorry)… Shark… History Channel… U-CONN GIRLS BASKETBALL! Go U-CONN! Animal Planet… FOOD Channels! (‘specially the ones that have wine connections!) and maybe a few more.

Re: Nip Tuck… The original post…. Never saw it… Don’t care to see it… And if it Offends you… Join this club... :)

“My thumb gets plenty of exercise flicking the TV control.”

Thanks Collie! And LOL! Mine too! :D

[eds]

Change the channel!

[BillCarson436]

Hello....

My point was ...is there no longer a line that can not be crossed on
network television ?

Is everything fair game these days?

[collie]

Apparently not. Eds can keep telling us to change the channel all he wants but we're talking BASIC CABLE here and really, soft core porn is soft core porn. Flicking through the channels after ten pm sometimes I think I'm hallucinating. I mean at least leave the smut off basic cable; make it a special tier people have to pay more for. Make the cheapest cable a "family tier" and eliminate the half naked women making out with each other already.

[eds]

Soft core porn? I don't think any shows on basic cable channels go to that extreme. Did you see a full on penis? A main street shot of a vagina?

You know, in NY it is legal anywhere in that state for women to be topless in public. (NY State supreme court ruling cited The People, Respondent, v. Ramona Santorelli and Mary Lou Schloss, Appellants, et al., Defendants. No. 115 COURT OF APPEALS OF NEW YORK July 7, 1992, Decided.)

When you see a man and a woman sleeping in bed together and they start to have sex, the camera usually fades to black or you see them rolling in the sheets without exposing any so-called naughty parts. Lots of moans, lots of movement but no outright shots on the buckboard.

There is nothing wrong with the human body. Really. You won't burn in hell if you see another human naked. There is nothing shameful or sinful about nudity. Our culture has ingrained into our minds Puritanical ethics of decency which seek to shame the human body which was made by G-d.

Why does lesbian and gay sex, implied or not, make any difference? Even as a very religious person I have no problems with this personally. The laws of G-d are the laws of G-d. Those who would say these types of people break those laws, seek justice for laws which they did not themselves create. Let He who created those laws deal with any alleged lawbreakers.

BTW, marriage should absolutely not be defined by any government for any combination of the sexes. Why should I as a heterosexual person be required to have a license anyway? Same goes for gay and lesbians Why should anyone need the government's permission to marry anyone?

Defecation is obscene? It's a perfectly natural act.

Simulated oral sex, like putting a banana in your mouth or a cucumber? That's really just silly. Perhaps it really was a banana in his pocket! :D

Hymen replacement is a medical procedure. Why is the hymen, a part of the human anatomy, so icky pooh? Because of what it represents? Virginity or lack thereof? I seem to recall another group of people who are fascinated by virgins, 72 of them I believe.

Other simulated acts? Simulated how? I think people read too much into the implication of the actor of which most may not even realize it.

Mind you, I am talking about adults watching TV and none of which I mention pertains to children under the age of 16, the legal age of consent in CT.

In my opinion, young children should be in bed by 7. Toddlers need 10-13 hours per night of sleep. Preschoolers same thing. They need a routine. Children aged 6-9 need 10 hours sleep. After that 8-9 hours of sleep is required until adulthood when 7-8 hours is required.

If parents do not require their children to get the recommended amount of sleep then at least require them to do something else other then watch hours and hours of TV. Children should not be watching anymore than 1 hour per night.

If my child were to see a woman topless and asked "What are those", I would explain what breasts are and their function. I would not cover their eyes to protect them from evil. Same goes for sex. Just tell it like it is. But obviously for some adults that is uncomfortable.

We are way too up-tight about nudity and sex and all that is related to it, in this country, and especially in New England. I've lived in Europe and I have to say, Americans are very very prude compared to most Europeans. Same goes for alcohol consumption.

Nip-Tuck is a show on rather late and should only be viewed by adults in the first place.

Anyone remember Benny Hill? Now that was funny. And rather risque at times. I don't recall so much as a peep from anyone regarding that particular show. What about "As time goes by" that wonderfully funny British comedy in which many innuendos around "naughtiness" come about. I seem to recall an episode where the father accidentally came upon another woman in the shower and was rather embarrassed about it. The teasing and innuendo were flying. So to to speak. Rather tounge-in-cheek yet very funny.

Oh behave!

[BillCarson436]

Hello...

Well, somebody has the time to answer properly...lol

And a good one as well

[Wine Guys]

OK Folks…
Tonight I watched Nip Tuck… for less than 5 minutes…

In the opening scene 2 people were in a Jacuzzi… While the guy was trying to get “hot and heavy” the woman was not so into it… The reason why became apparent when the water began turning red… The guy freaked and I changed channels. As I am typing this the last 5 minutes of this “entertaining” show is on. I switched back to see if it ended better than it started. BRB…

K… Love the “clean” apartment… Girl on drugs??? Yup! Guy smoking crack… Gotta love that too! Doing it on the floor with the baby left in a carrier… Married woman picking up a guy in a bar… This is entertainment? I just switched back to History Channel!

Hey eds!
You make (as usual!) a lot of good points. While I agree with some of them I personally found Nip Tuck useless and disgusting. I LOVED Benny Hill! He could pull off risqué without being disgusting! “Rather tongue-in-cheek yet very funny.”
Nip Tuck has no redeeming value…
And Collie is right…
“My thumb gets plenty of exercise flicking the TV control.”

And we wonder why Muslims think we are The Great Satan…

[collie]

Frankly I only read a few sentences of EDS. Disgusting. No manners. I've had five children and don't need sex education. You remind me of a man who cheats on his wife. She catches him and he turns the whole topic around into something else; it's somehow her fault for something she did. Get over on somebody else. You would have to be watching soft core porn to be as explicitly knowledgeable as you are and decent people who don't like that garbage on TV don't necessarily have some kind of hang up. Try your PEER PRESSURE on a teenager, not a grown woman.

[eds]

Collie, how can you criticize what I write when you admit to only reading a few sentences? I welcome criticism of what I write. I don't expect everyone to agree with me. But at least read my entire post first. From you're response I can tell you do not understand my argument.

My personal threshold for what is considered improper is ostensibly quite different than yours. That was what I trying to get across. My point is that what I find offensive and what another finds offensive are entirely different and we need to keep in mind the FCC rules for what is on television to maintain our objectivity.

What the FCC defines as soft core porn is not what is on TV. Perhaps it may offend some, even you, but the First Amendment guarantees cable networks such as FX the ability to be offensive while keeping within guidelines of the FCC. TV after 10pm is in no way meant for anyone but adults.

Were these programs, Nip/Tuck, etc. in violation of any FCC rules we would have heard about it in the news. The FCC has been asked quite frequently about fining Nip/Tuck for violations and the FCC has ruled that the scenes in question do not meet the guidelines set forth by the Supreme Court.

We all have varying thresholds for what is offensive and what is not. The law has to try to please 300 million Americans all with different social upbringings. To be objective and still protect our First Amendment rights, the Supreme Court has developed guidelines which an average person might judge a program to only appeal to prurient interests. These guidelines expose those programs without scientific, educational, artistic, or other similar merit. In the case of Nip/Tuck which our original poster complains about, the FCC has dismissed all complaints regarding that show.

It would seem my original advise to change the channel is appropriate.

Another example is Howard Stern. Personally I don't prefer to listen to his show, as I just don't find him all that comedic. However, he and others like him have a right to say what they do, and I will defend that right without regard to my own personal feelings. I would suggest others do the same, before our First Amendment rights are completely eroded by such groups as the Parents Television Council which seek to undermine our ability to express ourselves as we see fit.

[Modernliberal]

I was just about to mention "THE COUNCIL" of people that feel that they know what is best for everyone, without any regard for the rules. Eds is right, though you may disagree, it is important to remember the FCC is around for a reason, they do regulate things as I see it, very well. There is also another option that was passed into law that the FCC provides for people. TVs now come with the V-CHIP which allows you control (by password) what ever is seen on the television. If you do not want children, or the like to see something you simply program the chip and password protect it, and you do not ever have to worry about it again. Simple as that. If we took away everything that was offensive, to every person we would all be dead, everything is offensive if you look at what the world has turned into.

[collie]

Oh yeah right I'm going to delete Channel 8 because of Nip Tuck and then miss Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune. My FINAL thought on this topic, which crossed my mind on the first post but only WINE GUY was brave enough to say it - DUH, do the Muslim extremists have a point about Americans and their taste for filth or what?

[eds]

Muslim extremists think women should be covered head to toe and that stoning is a proper form of discipline. I highly doubt they have a clear perspective on what is and is not American filth. To them allowing women to have rights is considered filthy. We cannot pick and choose character aspects of one group or another and bend them to fit what we want. Were we to go completely in the other direction we would be complaining about a lack of freedom and expression. It would not stop with just TV. All forms of expression, of art, would be censored to create a sterilized world of purist ideals. Utopia can not be created on an individual basis.

Have you seen what Cox can do? They can block anything that someone does not like be it on the Internet or on television. The blocks can be for any reason not just for kids. You don't have to block your favorite shows just because one show ruins your day on a particular channel.

[Modernliberal]

I agree eds, plus why are you going to block channel 8? Nip Tuck is on FX not on ABC. You don't have to block every channel just the ones you don't want. I think this is getting a little crazy. How does blocking Nip Tuck block Jeopardy? The block is on the channel or even the program. You don't have to even block the channel you could just block that one program. I also am sure that the last thing any Muslim takes into account is the fact that we watch too much smut. I say this based on the knowledge that they don't get the same channels in the middle east that we do. They are too busy blowing themselves, and our soldiers up to worry about what is on our televisions in the United States. Sorry that was harsh, but you get what I mean. How about this, if you don't want it block it, call your cable provider to block it, or you could dare I say it...

CHANGE THE CHANNEL! I think there is an echo in this forum......:rolleyes:

[Wine Guys]

Hey Bill!
Whereja go?? You started this!
I understand everyone’s point in this discussion. With Basic Cable there aren’t a lot of choices… There aren’t many GOOD choices with Expanded either for that matter. So the echo “Change the channel” rings hollow.
With the Internet being what it is I imagine that the Muslims and the rest of the world can see for themselves what we offer as “entertainment”. But that’s only if they are not watching… Hit & Duck…
Sorry… My bad… :D

[eds]

If there are no choices on TV, get rid of the TV and read a book. Or upgrade the cable. There's nothing else to do. I would doubt that anyone would force themselves to watch something for the sake of watching television with really no value.

As for me, I spend my time watching History Channel, Military Channel, Discovery anything, TLC, HGTV, Animal Planet, AMC. Rarely if ever do I watch anything on primetime except for Ghost Whisperer and Moonlight. My wife likes the main character in Moonlight; she thinks he's HOT! As for me, Jennifer is easy on the eyes, so to speak. The plots are rather interesting as well. My wife and I agree that just because we're married doesn't mean we're blind.

[eds]

My apologies...I hope "easy on the eyes" wasn't too graphic for anyone, even collie. My supposed soft core porn descriptions previously were rather graphic according to collie...like how?

Did the word penis offend you? What about the word vagina? I am really not clear on where the offense was. Was it the reference to a banana in the pocket? Oh no...there goes our American family values!


Graphic...hardly...The real question is will collie actually read past the word vagina. Or will this post be considered soft core pornography.

[Modernliberal]

That's it, you are no better than Larry Flint you porno freak!! :D JK JK JK!! There is nothing wrong with those words and in our ever evolving society all you have to do is walk outside and hear someone yell vagina now. It is what it is. We need to not get all bent. I agree with eds again that if there is nothing on, then why are you paying for it? Find something to READ, wow that is a novel idea, or upgrade your cable. If cable is too expensive pick one of the other 100(exaggeration) choices. Or, just find something and make the best of it. Rent movies, join Netflix, or Blockbusters(they have online and in-store options). WOW there are so many more options that we need to let things alone. I am and always have been a proponent of free speech, and always will be. If someone wants to tell me I am a piece of S%&t then that is fine. That is their prerogative. We can either be for free speech or for reforming it (i.e against free speech) their is no gray area. Here is to good old fashion Disney movies. Anyone look at the old little mermaid cover? Or, the lion king? Or, Aladdin? There is some sexually offensive stuff in those movies, and other movies too. I am serious look it up. FREE SPEECH+FREE THOUGHT+FREE MIND=LIFE, or NO FREE SPEECH+NO FREE THOUGHT+ NO FREE MIND=DEATH. simply put

[Wine Guys]

FWIW.... Nip Tuck has no Redeeming value... Muslims... YOUR input??? :D

[eds]

ModernLiberal you made me laugh. Wine Guys too. I am glad you can see my point about free speech. I agree that show has no redeeming value. Right up there with that Desperate Homebodies show or whatever they call it.

:D

[Modernliberal]

You mean the Desperate Horny Wives? Yeah, some parts are funny though if you watch it with a grain of salt, knowing that it sucks. I don't like the show I more so like to laugh at it. "I think therefore I am". Ten points to whom ever knows who said that.

[BillCarson436]

Hello....

Still here ( not really a Bill... took that name from a Clint Eastwood film )

I watched Nip Tuck again last night... Rosie was perfect for the role.

One point though... because their are no actual closeups of male and
female anatomy, dialogue and simulated sex are in most cases more...
stimulating ?

Yes, when I see a naked guy from the waist up with a riding crop in
hand, whipping a teenage girl in a naughty Schoolgirl outfit... I get
it. Do I need to see what isn't seen...lol

Somebody in here gets it.... and people wonder why kids are the way
they are. Just glad my kids are growd up...lol

Nice thread so far.... don't stop becauseI don't visit daily...lol

[eds]

When something is made "forbidden" humans automatically want it. From Adam and Eve to now its been the same.

Kids are the way they are when it comes to sex because they are never taught explicitly what sex is and what it is not. They are not taught when it is appropriate and when it is not. It has nothing to do with marriage and commitment. It has to do with procreation and affording to pay for the dependent you have created. Lots of people get married and then divorce so what's the difference? You still end up single with children in the end. What remains is child care. And there are lots of dead beat moms and dads who never pay child care.

Holy matrimony is not for everyone. People who are atheist or agnostic certainly would not understand the concept of commitment before G-d. What I would teach my children is what I believe to be true about my religion. Whether they believe it or not is up to them. I will not force them to believe.

But bottom line, what I must teach them, what they must believe, is that making a child can happen even with the best birth control and that automatically makes them responsible for their act. While I would not agree with abortion I could not stop it either. It's a choice they would have to make despite their young age.

My point is that sex has everything to do with procreation not pleasure. That is the concept that children need to learn. Once they understand that what they see on TV is one, between consenting adults, and two, only acting, then and only then can they understand the difference between reality and Hollywood. The same holds true with violent movies or super fantastic movies in which people do amazing things that just can't happen in the real world.

This line of thinking goes to the higher concepts of understanding reality and being personally responsible in it.

[Wine Guys]

:D “This line of thinking goes to the higher concepts of understanding reality and being personally responsible in it.”
Reality… What a concept!
No one wants to accept responsibly… Agreed!
And… Define “Reality”...

[eds]

Perception is reality.

[KleineP]

My point is that sex has everything to do with procreation not pleasure. That is the concept that children need to learn.

Teaching kids that sex has nothing to do with pleasure is like telling them that it's not cool to smoke or do drugs or drink. It's just not going to be true to their reality.

Their reality - what they are going to see - is vastly different than ours. What they will see is the "cool kids" - the popular kids (even - gasp! - the smart, well-adujsted kids) having sex and drinking and smoking and doing drugs. Who and what are they going to believe when they're going through adolescent angst and trying to make choices that they feel good about? Are they going to believe their parents (who are always wrong to the adolescent point of view), or are they going to believe what they see? How's that going to help them make good decisions?

Furthermore, telling children that sex has nothing to do with pleasure is only going to confuse them - when they start to realize that they are sexual beings and, surprise, surprise, there are things they will do that just might feel good.

I say it's better to be honest. People have sex because it feels good. Procreation can be a result - and often a desired result - of sex. I hope that I'm teaching my children that sex is about maturity so they can realize that, even though something might feel good, it doesn't mean they're ready to do it.

And drugs, smoking and drinking? I know that my kids are going to see the cool kids doing those things. And we talk about how they're going to handle that. I hope that I'm giving them the personal arsenal and strength to handle making "uncool" decisions.

I just don't see how we're doing a service to our children if what we're teaching them just doesn't coincide with what they will experience.

[eds]

I agree with what you are saying KleineP. I think its all about perspective. We are saying the same thing but coming from different angles.

Let me explain further. I think the context of my argument was missed.

When adults have sex it can be either with procreation in mind or with pleasure in mind or both. The point of my statement is not to imply that the only reason for sex is procreation. Procreation is the reason sex exists. The fact that it is pleasurable exists strictly to encourage its performance. If it felt bad no one would do it. The impulse is leftover from our primitive ancestor's genes to ensure the survival of the species. Sex was not invented to provide a purely pleasurable act for humans. We are not the only life form to have sex for pleasure. Scientists have found other primate species with similar sexual habits as our own as well as deviant sexual habits.

Teens need to be taught that sex does not exist simply for their own pleasure. They need to be taught how to control that impulse. Controlling impulsive behavior does not stop with sex. It also includes anger and other emotions.

Sex exists to make babies and continue the species. Despite what some might say, that's the plain truth. That is why the drive is so strong in teens because they are of the prime baby making age.

On another note, society has made it difficult to raise babies when you are younger, unfortunate isn't it? That in today's society you need to build a career which takes you into your late 20's and early 30's before having children makes economic sense, and yet you are at your most virulent when you are in your late teens and early 20's.

But I digress. Doing things that are pleasurable is certainly not the problem. Having fun can be healthy. But certain ways of having fun are risky at certain times in life and that risk needs to be emphasized to teens. If they truly understood the risks, they would have the necessary "weapons" to fight the impulses they feel and become responsible adults. Responsibility is about doing the right thing, not necessarily the thing that feels good or is easy.

When pleasure seeking becomes the sole focus of one's life, that becomes addiction. What I am saying is that we need to teach kids that just because one gets pleasure from doing something fun, does not mean that it's OK necessarily. When one understands the overall purpose for sex, one can understand its place and how it should be engaged in and under what circumstances it is healthy.

Responsibility must always be maintained when having fun so as to understand the boundaries that exist. As people say, "It's all fun and games until someone looses an eye."

My point is that this goes to a higher educational principle of addiction and responsibility. Teens and adults can become addicted to anything. They can make that addiction their sole focus in life and over do it. Responsible pleasure seeking is what I am emphasizing. Fun with limits. Teens are not taught this concept today. Its all about immediate satisfaction.

Overeating which leads to obesity, spending too much money which leads to bankruptcy, drinking and partying which leads to binge drinking, drunkenness and DUI, obsessive body image leads to bulimia or anorexia. The list goes on and on and sex is just one of those elements. No matter how careful you are, a baby can be a result of having fun, and that one night of fun can not necessarily ruin, but can most certainly change your life forever.

That is what I mean to say. The education of teens should include that personal responsibility must always be maintained even when having fun whether its having sex, or drinking, or anything else.

[KleineP]

eds,

We are on the same page on this one, and I appreciate the discussion. It motivated me to write that earlier post, which forced me to think about and articulate some of the values that I bring to parenting. Thanks.

[leherissierm]

As daunting as it may be to disagree with many people's opinions, i must say that I LOVE NIP/TUCK!!! Would I ever let my children (hypothetically, since I dont actually have children) watch the show, Hell No! But I admit that I find the show entertaining! Its the new generation of soap operas - just a little more graphic than the ones that my grandmother watched! And honestly there are other shows that I find alot worse than Nip/Tuck - anyone ever watch Family Guy?! This show is actually aimed towards children, although the humor is on a much more adult level. There is much more of a chance of children watching Family Guy, which airs several times per day in the early evening, than ever watching Nip/Tuck. I also enjoy TV shows with more "quality" but I also crave the trashy ones! Quality shouldn't really be looked for on TV anyway - pick up a book, exercise, whatever - those kinds of things are more fulfilling than television! I guess I must end my commentary by agreeing with the others who said if you don't like it, CHANGE THE CHANNEL!

[collie]

Keep your trash.

[eds]

And that's what makes diversity so special. :rolleyes:

[collie]

If that were true rapists would be given the same respect in our society that Nobel Peace Price winners receive. People who respect and value diversity should not be stereotyped as being "liberal" on issues like trash on TV. Many of us are quite conservative when it comes to Satan and all his tricks and trappings.

[eds]

Personally I do not see how this singular program is "Satan at work" anymore than "Golden Compass" is turning people away from church.

All deserve the same respect in our society. The Nobel Peace Prize winner is no better than the rapist. It is when we condemn in our hearts those we feel are immoral and unjust that we ourselves become immoral and unjust. All people are equal in the eyes of G-d. It is not up to us to enforce the will of G-d on others. It up to us to be wary of Satan for ourselves and become beacons of light for others to see their way in the darkness.

What makes diversity so special is that we can see differences in others and accept those who would watch nip/tuck the same as those who would not. It is not up to us to enforce G-d's law's. Diversity gives us the ability to accept rather than condemn those who are different from us. Accept does not mean you necessarily agree, but that you will not destroy on behalf of your G-d.

It is for us to help our fellow brothers and sisters avoid the temptations of sin and raise them up instead of condemning leherissierm with your "Keep your trash" comment. Why not help this person realize what Satan is doing to influence leherissierm and save this person instead, if that is what you truly believe? If you feel leherissierm is going to be consumed by the fire, why not save this person, rather than condemn.

I find it amazing that Christian zeal can so affect Christians that they abandon the very beliefs they hold dear. Why is breaking G-d's laws justified as means to support them? Why is this irony of Christian zeal lost on so many.

[collie]

Societies do draw lines. Equating a rapist as having the same worth as a Nobel Peace Prize winner is ridiculous. Trash is trash.

[leherissierm]

People who respect and value diversity should not be stereotyped as being "liberal" on issues like trash on TV. Many of us are quite conservative when it comes to Satan and all his tricks and trappings.

I think I may be a little confused, but is Collie saying that she is someone who respects and values diversity??? I didn't get that vibe from her!

I may be going to hell for my choice of television, but I too watch Jepoardy so that must absolve me of some sin!

Just having fun with this issue! One of my favorite phrases is
"Dont sweat the small stuff" - the quality of television is non-existent on my list of stressors. Let's not get so angry!

[collie]

I guess you should just change the channel.

[eds]

Look at it this way. If the rapist turns his/her life around, repents, and asks to be forgiven, shouldn't we forgive that person? Wouldn't that redeem that person? If we condemned that person, even though that person may not have repented yet, we never give that person a chance to repent. We may take action to prevent that person from committing that crime again, up to and including the death penalty, however we are not condemning that person in our hearts when we do that. We are merely preventing serious loss of life or serious injury to befall another person which is our duty. There is a difference between condemnation in our hearts and protecting society as a whole. We can protect society and still forgive the criminal and pray for his soul. So yes, both Nobel Peace prize winner and the rapist are equal in the eyes of G-d as they are both sinners. He who is first shall be last.

[Wine Guys]

:D Nip Tuck still sucks!

[Marc Syrah]

:) Now THIS was a fun read!
Started with Nip / Tuck...
Ended with...
G-d (?)... And...
“He who is first shall be last.”
So...
Anyone watching “Swingtown”???
:D :eek:

[Jim N]

Apparently not. Eds can keep telling us to change the channel all he wants but we're talking BASIC CABLE here and really, soft core porn is soft core porn. Flicking through the channels after ten pm sometimes I think I'm hallucinating. I mean at least leave the smut off basic cable; make it a special tier people have to pay more for. Make the cheapest cable a "family tier" and eliminate the half naked women making out with each other already.
Why change the channel? Turn off the TV. Work on a hobby,volunteer somewhere, read a book, go for a walk, day dream, talk to a friend or a family member. Works for me:)

[S_Meriden60]

I change the channel often or have to shut it off. The biggest issue I see is the ads and previews for the adult shows. They show scenes or dialog not suitable for my young kids in the morning or dinner time, actually all day. There's no way to screen that unless you turn the box off all the time. That's something I've been doing more often than not.

[RC12L4]

What I'm offended by is all the Christian church shows on Sunday mornings, who are they to try and force their religion on me? Disgusting and offensive.

[Modica]

What I'm offended by is all the Christian church shows on Sunday mornings, who are they to try and force their religion on me? Disgusting and offensive.
I think infomercials are offensive. One they take up a half hour spot that can be used for something of quality. Second the infomercials disquise themselves as a talk show or entertainment program, which probably dupes many older people out of their money. Third, when these programs come on the sound is much higher than the previous program. I worked as a board operator at a television station when I was in college, plus worked in radio also, and I know that the person running the board controls the volume of the show. A good board operator is supposed to audition the show before airing so the volumes match. Obviously, the board ops are being told to up the volume on these programs. Maybe the advertisers pay extra for this. I don't know.